<div dir="ltr">Hi Andreas,<div><br></div><div>Python is fully functional and we have mirrored the same python packages available on OSGeo4W to be shipped with the installer.</div><div><br></div><div>The best way of handling the macOS server, is to have it sourced externally. The one we are using is pretty good for compilation, upload and download bandwidth and storage (~50$ / month). We are happy to hand-over this server to you.</div><div><br></div><div>The maintenance should be minimal. If we can clean up the scripts (as per Peter's suggestion), it should be straightforward to maintain. We are happy to (help to) maintain the package.</div><div><br></div><div>For sure, we can use OSGeo certificate. I am not sure who is in possession of the certificate. This subject has come up several times.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Saber</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 15:24, Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" target="_blank">a.neumann@carto.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Peter,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.</p>
<p>So Python works in MacOS 10.13 and 10.14? Do we have an idea if
10.11 and 10.12 are still in use a lot? If not, we could probably
skip this and do the other two things.</p>
<p>I have no idea who could help setting up the Mojave Server. The
rest of our infrastructure runs on Hetzner and OSGeo hardware -
there are no MacOS machines available at these hosters. So it
would be a new thing added to the <a href="http://QGIS.ORG" target="_blank">QGIS.ORG</a> infrastructure.<br>
</p>
<p>I assume that the dropbox thing should be the easiest part. We
already have Dropbox set up for some PSC files. Regarding the
certificate: can we use the OSGeo certificates?<br>
</p>
<p>Also - do we have an idea who would maintain the thing, once it
is set up? We can include it in the 2020 budget, if we can find
out how much work it will be to maintain ... So we can help fund
the packaging, but we need a responsible person who can do it -
and I am afraid the current PSC can't take that responsibility.<br>
</p>
<p>The PSC people who know best about the infrastructure are Richard
and Jürgen - so I'd like to hear their comments about moving the
MacOS packaging over the <a href="http://QGIS.ORG" target="_blank">QGIS.ORG</a>.<br>
</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Andreas<br>
</p>
<div class="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625moz-cite-prefix">Am 20.02.19 um 16:14 schrieb Peter
Petrik:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thank you and let me add my estimates</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span id="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199gmail-docs-internal-guid-d206292a-7fff-9a4f-2138-12898ec61b68"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">- Lack of Python support for macOS 10.11 and 10.12
This is very highly uncertain task since I got no response from python comunity (</span></font></span><a href="https://bugs.python.org/issue31601" target="_blank">https://bugs.python.org/issue31601</a>)
and I will need to do some tests if I can somehow work
around it. My preference is to have 1 day for
investigation to come up with the solution/workaround or
at least understand the scope of the issue. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">- Unable to transfer of the infrastructure and automatic builds under QGIS.org</span></font></span><span id="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199gmail-docs-internal-guid-d206292a-7fff-9a4f-2138-12898ec61b68"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">
Assuming we have working Mojave server with remote desktop access, certificate and dropbox ready, it would take a day to finish the documentation of the package and another day to install the packager to the new server. </span></font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">
</span></font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">- from Tim: </span></font></span>Ability
to add python packages (maybe adding another python path
to directory in the user’s current profile path<br>
</div>
<div>This is trivial change for few minutes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Peter</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:54
PM Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" target="_blank">a.neumann@carto.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Saber,</p>
<p>There was discussion to help fund the remaining "severe"
issues you have around the MacOS builds.</p>
<p>Can you provide us estimates on how much funds are needed
to finish the following three items (skipping the GRASS
issues for now - can be handled later):</p>
<p><span id="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199gmail-docs-internal-guid-d206292a-7fff-9a4f-2138-12898ec61b68"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">- Lack of Python support for macOS 10.11 and 10.12
- Unable to transfer of the infrastructure and automatic builds under QGIS.org</span></font></span><span id="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199gmail-docs-internal-guid-d206292a-7fff-9a4f-2138-12898ec61b68"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">
- from Tim: </span></font></span>Ability to add python packages (maybe
adding another python path to directory in the user’s
current profile path</p>
<p>?</p>
<p>With respect to additional small donations I got: this
adds up to approx 100-200 € earmarked towards MacOS. I can
forward this to Lutra, however, if the PSC decides, we
might also fund more, so you are able to finish the above
three items.</p>
<p>With respect to Tim's crash:</p>
<p>- Getting a crash when trying to move dock widgets around
(in current LTR build)</p>
<div>Is there a ticket? If yes, this can be handled during
the normal bug fixing cycles. We just treat MacOS like all
the other platforms. Nothing special about it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Greetings,</div>
<div>Andreas<br>
</div>
<p><span id="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199gmail-docs-internal-guid-d206292a-7fff-9a4f-2138-12898ec61b68"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap"></span></font></span></p>
<div class="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199moz-cite-prefix">Am
20.02.19 um 13:11 schrieb Saber Razmjooei:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr"><span id="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199gmail-docs-internal-guid-d206292a-7fff-9a4f-2138-12898ec61b68">
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">Dear PSC,
Following our earlier email about QGIS packages for macOS, we ran a crowdfunding campaign. Unfortunately, we did not raise enough fund to carry out the work we had intended.
We had to reduce the scope of our work. Below are the known issues/limitations:
- Lack of Python support for macOS 10.11 and 10.12
- Unable to transfer of the infrastructure and automatic builds under QGIS.org
- GRASS support in the Processing toolbox: most of the modules should work. But GRASS 7.6 is not fully compatible with Python 3.x and hence some of the algorithms might fail. This will be fixed after GRASS 7.8 release.
For more details, see here:
<a href="https://www.lutraconsulting.co.uk/blog/2019/02/19/qgis-for-macos-update/" target="_blank">https://www.lutraconsulting.co.uk/blog/2019/02/19/qgis-for-macos-update/</a></span></font></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="https://lutraconsulting.github.io/qgis-mac-packager/" target="_blank">https://lutraconsulting.github.io/qgis-mac-packager/</a>
If you’d like to publish the packages, we will need the server details where you’d like us to upload the binaries.
If the build infrastructure should be moved under QGIS.org, we will need QGIS (OSGeo) Apple Developers Certificate, macOS Mojave Server with right to install XCode and related packages and funds to clean, document and deploy packaging code to the official server.
Kind regards
Saber
</span><br>
</font></p>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at
07:10, Larry Shaffer <<a href="mailto:larrys@dakotacarto.com" target="_blank">larrys@dakotacarto.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_6517654007670182663gmail-m_-319465377631528683gmail-m_-3148938162470546625gmail-m_8438515260622197199gmail-m_4680687754660858498gmail_signature">
<div>Hi Nyall, et al.,</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:16 PM
Nyall Dawson <<a href="mailto:nyall.dawson@gmail.com" target="_blank">nyall.dawson@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On
Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 07:42, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> Ah you are right - thanks! I see the QGIS
group widgets have an issue with tehtext staying
black in dark mode whilst native Qt widgets
correctly show their text in white.<br>
<br>
It's this line:<br>
<a href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/blob/master/src/app/qgisappstylesheet.cpp#L130" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/blob/master/src/app/qgisappstylesheet.cpp#L130</a><br>
<br>
I suspect ALL of that custom group box styling
should be removed.<br>
Trawling through the git history it's over 6
years old, and I strongly<br>
suspect that the original styling issues it was
designed to workaround<br>
are no longer a problem (and that the custom
styling is causing more<br>
issues now than it is fixing)<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Indeed. That effort was to bridge issues with
different platforms, in an attempt to make
things look similar. It is no doubt antiquated
by now.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Larry Shaffer<br>
Dakota Cartography<br>
Black Hills, South Dakota<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Nyall<br>
<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Tim<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 5:29 PM Denis
Rouzaud <<a href="mailto:denis.rouzaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">denis.rouzaud@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Tim,<br>
>><br>
>> Are you sure it's the QGIS night
mapping theme and not the new look of Qt for
Dark Theme?<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Denis<br>
>><br>
>> Le jeu. 13 déc. 2018 à 11:14, Tim
Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tested with 3.4.2 from last night -
still stuck in night mapping mode :-(<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tim<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 10:31, Tim
Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi<br>
>>><br>
>>> Brilliant thanks - downloading now!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tim<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 09:16, Saber
Razmjooei <<a href="mailto:saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk" target="_blank">saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Tim,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Both 3.4.2 and master are now built
with Qt 5.12. Feel free to give them a try and
let us know if you have any other issues.<br>
>>> <a href="https://lutraconsulting.github.io/qgis-mac-packager/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lutraconsulting.github.io/qgis-mac-packager/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers<br>
>>> Saber<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 19:24, Tim
Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Cool, thanks!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 5:34 PM
Peter Petrik <<a href="mailto:peter.petrik@lutraconsulting.co.uk" target="_blank">peter.petrik@lutraconsulting.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> qt 5.12 is on my list too:)
But both of these are rather small issues with
< 1/2 day to solve.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> P.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at
3:14 PM Denis Rouzaud <<a href="mailto:denis.rouzaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">denis.rouzaud@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Hi all,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I would propose not to
offer multiple installer. The situation is
already complex enough. We should at least
clearly promote one as the default one.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Regarding the night
mapping theme, it is a very short time issue
(QGIS is unusable in default theme under Mac OS
with Dark Theme with Qt < 5.12).<br>
>>>>>> I have just updated to
Qt 5.12, I am automatically back to default
theme and it looks much better!<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>>>> Denis<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Le mar. 11 déc. 2018 à
09:18, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Hi<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 11 Dec 2018, at
09:42, Saber Razmjooei <<a href="mailto:saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk" target="_blank">saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Dear PSC,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> From the meeting
notes [1], it seems the motion for the PSC to
absorb the cost (Point 2 in my email) has been
accepted.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Could you clarify:<br>
>>>>>>> 1- The PSC is not
funding the initial work (Point 1). If so, we'd
like to run a crowd-funding campaign. Any
promotion from QGIS.org is highly appreciated.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> 2- From 3.6
release, the packages generated from the above
packaging process will be used under the
official download page. This is for our
resourcing and crowd-funding purposes, so that
we can have everything in place before 3.6
release.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Just on this, can I
propose we put both your and William’s packages
there for the time being? There are some
technical differences between the packaging
approaches that mean that some users may seek
out specifically Williams or Lutra’s packages.
My understanding from William is that some of
these can be resolved while others cannot
easily. For example you cannot install pip
packages into the QGIS code signed bundle.
Currently with the Lutra packages I am still
locked into night mapping theme which I need to
file a ticket about still :-P We could
collaboratively provide some test with the
download outlining which installer is
appropriate for which user type.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Tim<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ---<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Tim Sutton<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:tim@qgis.org" target="_blank">tim@qgis.org</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>>>>>>> Qgis-psc mailing
list<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Denis Rouzaud<br>
>>>>>> <a href="mailto:denis@opengis.ch" target="_blank">denis@opengis.ch</a><br>
>>>>>> +41 76 370 21 22<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>>>>>> Qgis-psc mailing list<br>
>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Tim Sutton<br>
>>>> Visit <a href="http://kartoza.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://kartoza.com</a>
to find out about open source:<br>
>>>> * Desktop GIS programming
services<br>
>>>> * Geospatial web development<br>
>>>> * GIS Training<br>
>>>> * Consulting Services<br>
>>>> Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux
on #qgis at <a href="http://freenode.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">freenode.net</a><br>
>>>> Tim is a member of the QGIS
Project Steering Committee<br>
>>>>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>> Kartoza is a merger between
Linfiniti and Afrispatial<br>
>>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>>>> Qgis-psc mailing list<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Saber Razmjooei<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.lutraconsulting.co.uk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.lutraconsulting.co.uk</a><br>
>>> +44 (0)7568 129733<br>
>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>>> Qgis-psc mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> —<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> <KartozaNewLogoThumbnail.jpg><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Tim Sutton<br>
>>><br>
>>> Co-founder: Kartoza<br>
>>> Ex Project chair: QGIS.org<br>
>>><br>
>>> Visit <a href="http://kartoza.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://kartoza.com</a>
to find out about open source:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Desktop GIS programming services<br>
>>> Geospatial web development<br>
>>> GIS Training<br>
>>> Consulting Services<br>
>>><br>
>>> Skype: timlinux<br>
>>> IRC: timlinux on #qgis at <a href="http://freenode.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">freenode.net</a><br>
>>><br>
>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>>> Qgis-psc mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> —<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Tim Sutton<br>
>>><br>
>>> Co-founder: Kartoza<br>
>>> Ex Project chair: QGIS.org<br>
>>><br>
>>> Visit <a href="http://kartoza.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://kartoza.com</a>
to find out about open source:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Desktop GIS programming services<br>
>>> Geospatial web development<br>
>>> GIS Training<br>
>>> Consulting Services<br>
>>><br>
>>> Skype: timlinux<br>
>>> IRC: timlinux on #qgis at <a href="http://freenode.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">freenode.net</a><br>
>>><br>
>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>>> Qgis-psc mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Denis Rouzaud<br>
>> <a href="mailto:denis@opengis.ch" target="_blank">denis@opengis.ch</a><br>
>> +41 76 370 21 22<br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Tim Sutton<br>
> Visit <a href="http://kartoza.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://kartoza.com</a>
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