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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 28/03/2019 à 17:44, DelazJ a écrit :<br>
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Thanks Paolo for raising this topic, that somehow was
underlying in some other discussions. And thanks to make me
discover the Debian Contract; while the rules seem
self-evident to me today, i guess it was good for them to
have expressed it (though I don't think we have the same
"issue") .<br>
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<div>Régis, maybe did I misread you (though I read your message
more than once) but am I wrong that the "community" you
envision is all about people or companies that can pay or get
paid for a feature/fix?</div>
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<p>Hi Harrissou, <br>
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<p>don't overinterpret my words here. Currently, our french QGIS
user group is only for individual persons. Opening it to public
entities or private companies will not exclude individuals at all.
I must say, it just will reinforce a very very small group.<br>
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<div>I always (maybe naively) thought that QGIS was part of a
bigger picture, a way to contribute to a better and more
equitable world.</div>
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Why naively? I think those who decided to board into QGIS
professional activities took great risks to make the same ideal
alive. I fail to see your point here. <br>
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<div> Coming from "South", I know what this kind of tools can
change. And Yes, this is what I use to reply to friends and
family that wonder why I was spending nights and week-ends on
things I'm not paid for nor are at the core of my daily work.
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Having worked in most remote areas of the world, I do too.<br>
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<div>Now, if I'm wrong and this is not (or no longer) the case,
and that we no longer have users but customers indeed it'd be
good to know (<span class="gmail-citation gmail-not_fr_quote"
lang="la"><span class="gmail-italique"><b>Errare humanum
est, perseverare diabolicum</b>). </span></span></div>
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<p>I used the term customers from my employer's perspective. Please
don't be picky here. I have been a public funder for years, I
still am also a citizen involved in open source on my spare time
(if I still have some), and I work for a private company, which
"tries" to find a viable economic model for open source. We all
need each other here. I don't think all those roles are
incompatible in the open source world (we don't sell license, we
don't lock you in)</p>
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<div><span class="gmail-citation gmail-not_fr_quote" lang="la"><span
class="gmail-italique">I could then look for a company
that cares about QGIS-Documentation (to mention an area I
know) and then I'd be able to invoice (partially, I
swear!) my contributions to payers. That said, not many of
the companies involved in QGIS development have been
writing docs these last years afaics.</span></span><br>
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<p>I don't follow you here, can you explain here? I was on the idea
that the documentation grants didn't find candidates last year. <br>
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<p>Do we need to include documentation in our contracts? I think yes
we must include progressively these costs in contracts. We already
do it at Oslandia, and sometimes, we are told to be too much
expensive.</p>
<p> This is exactly Paolo's point. We have a very large user base,
too small budgets, and lot's of energy pushed by unpaid
contributors. How to scale up? How to keep a sustainable
development? How to avoid "open source burn out" for
contributors? How to conceal real costs handling and community
based contributions. <br>
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<div><span class="gmail-citation gmail-not_fr_quote" lang="la"><span
class="gmail-italique">Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with the
idea that QGIS is (part of</span></span><span
class="gmail-citation gmail-not_fr_quote" lang="la"><span
class="gmail-italique">)</span></span><span
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class="gmail-italique"> livelihood for some and I
appreciate many of the features that arose thanks to these
contracts but... if it should be all about that, If we
don't have a bigger picture of what QGIS is, what our
community is or needs to be...</span></span><br>
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<p>A great project and community for which I quit a comfortable
carrier. I love this, still we have growth challenges to address.
We all get older, we have kids, we must get new contributors in.
And my point is that institutions and private companies MUST also
contribute in some way. Nothing more. <br>
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<div>my (dreamer) 2cts,</div>
<div>Harrissou</div>
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