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<p>Hi Tim,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/6/19 11:45 PM, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
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<div class="">Thanks for this - we did discuss this at the PSC
meeting. Can’t this simply be handled by having a changelog for
bug fix releases when we get the magic feed to changelog thing
done? Then we can simply mark what was fixed and what was
regressed and why. A job for Anita H who is maintaining the
changelog for us. <br>
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<p>There is already a category of "notable fixes" in the changelog.
We could add a "changelog" label (next to the "feature" label) to
automate listing of notable fixes in the changelog.</p>
<p>For the regressions I would propose to handle them manually (i.e.
no magic feed) to have a good selection and wording - it's always
harder to communicate things that got worse than things that got
better.<br>
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<div class="">I think the issue is more about communication than
having black and white rules - there is always going to be some
exception that we need to figure out how to deal with. ‘Can’t
fix’ is a valid issue resolution even if it is a regression.</div>
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<p>Fair point. Please note that in this case it wasn't marked as
resolved, but left open since the current patch is only a bandaid.<br>
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<div class=""> We also chatted about KDAB and were mostly in
favour of that - at least it would be good to have a complete
list of upstream issues that affect QGIS that we know of and
then approach them for some indication of cost to repair.</div>
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<p>Cool!</p>
<p>There is a list in <a
href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/30930#issuecomment-518660334"
class="">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/30930#issuecomment-518660334</a>
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<div class="">Regards</div>
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<div class="">On 6 Aug 2019, at 16:02, Matthias Kuhn <<a
href="mailto:matthias@opengis.ch" class=""
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<div class="">Hi PSC,<br class="">
<br class="">
As discussed with Giovanni Manghi in [1], I'd like to
bring an issue with the attachment widget to your
attention.<br class="">
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Since QGIS 3.0 there has been an issue with the
attachment widget, that when clicking the [...] browse
button in the attribute table, QGIS has crashed. This
has been reported in [2] about 1.5 years ago.<br
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In the last months, at least 3 core developers have
spent a total of at least 10 hours trying to recover the
original browse functionality. Unfortunately without
success.<br class="">
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Finally, a pull request was created to remove the button
from the attribute table [1] and has been merged into
master (backports for 3.4 and 3.8 are pending).<br
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There was a broad agreement that at the current point we
are not able to fix it in a reasonable timeframe, so
it's better to remove the button (which had one sole
functionality of crashing QGIS). All other functionality
of the attachment widget (outside the attribute table)
is unaffected.<br class="">
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One of the conclusions in [1] was, that it would be good
to collaborate with Qt (e.g. KDAB) for bugfixing. Apart
from this particular issue, there are a few others for
which an upstream fix is the only (or the cleanest)
solution. It would be good if we could agree on a budget
for this (e.g. 5 days of time) and get in touch with
upstream to get the ball rolling. It would be nice if
the PSC could take a decision and do the preparation
work for that (if possible pre 3.10).<br class="">
<br class="">
On another note, it would be good to clarify on our
stance regarding priority handling. In the discussion
there was a pretty tight notion of a "no regressions
allowed, whatever the cost" policy. This binary way this
argument was used made it quite hard to decide on the
best way forward for the application. I have the plan to
try to avoid regressions wherever possible and to make
QGIS more stable at the same time. But if the project
decision is that stability shouldn't be much of a focus
before anything tagged a "regression" is eliminated I
will have to check my priorities again.<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks a lot<br class="">
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Matthias<br class="">
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[1] <a
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[2] <a href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/issues/26948"
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style="caret-color: rgb(102, 106,
115); color: rgb(102, 106, 115);
font-family: "Proxima
Nova", sans-serif; font-size:
14px; text-align: left;
background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">I'd love to
connect. </span><a target="_blank"
class="t-quick-start-share-link"
href="https://calendly.com/timlinux"
style="color: rgb(0, 162, 255);
text-decoration: none; cursor:
pointer; font-family:
"Proxima Nova",
sans-serif; font-size: 14px;
text-align: left;"
moz-do-not-send="true">Here's my
calendar link</a><span
style="caret-color: rgb(102, 106,
115); color: rgb(102, 106, 115);
font-family: "Proxima
Nova", sans-serif; font-size:
14px; text-align: left;
background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""> to make finding
time easy.</span></div>
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