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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Yes - we need a relatively quick decision. Grant proposal usually take longer to process.</p>
<p>My suggestion: let's discuss this at next week's PSC meeting. Now that we have 2-3 good proposals, we have a good ground for discussions.</p>
<p>I am sorry that I come late with this - but earlier, the situation was way too unclear and impossible to project our funds until the year's end. It is still a bit vague. Maybe at the end it will be 12 or 18k that we have available.</p>
<p>As to taxes:</p>
<p>We can make up to 10k CHF profit per year (approx. 9.2k €) without having to pay taxes on that income, but if we go beyond it, a significant amount of the income will be taxes. There might be a way to accumulate such excess income as allowings (Rückstellungen) for expected extra expenses - but when I read the tax documents, this is mainly about "things", like buying a car, IT hardware, investing into buildings, repairs or replacements of things we need, etc. Our "digital nature" of our association doesn't fit that schema very well ;-)</p>
<p>The tax is 8% on the revenues (if we go beyond 10k revenues). So if our revenue is 12k CHF, we'd pay 960 CHF taxes (I'd like to avoid that). The tax on financial assets (our amount on the account on Dec 31) is 0.75 per mille - so negligible.</p>
<p>I will have to investigate if the loss from last year that we had, can be taken into account for this year, thus decreasing our revenues, but it isn't yet clear to me.</p>
<p>Now that I read the documents from the tax office again - the tax declaration for this year will be different anyway. I just read that membership payments (our sustaining memberships) are not regarded as part of the revenues (that accounts for more than 50% of our income). I just learned that minutes ago. Actually, that's quite good for us, but it will make accounting a bit more complicated.</p>
<p>I'll try to summarize the situation until PSC meeting next week.</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2019-11-14 12:46, Matthias Kuhn wrote:</p>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">If I understand Andreas correctly it needs to be spent soon because of taxes.<br /><br />Personally I'm happy with grant proposals just as much as I trust the PSC to spend this wisely in an ad-hoc situation.<br /><br />Matthias<br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">On 11/14/19 12:35 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Hi all,</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">why not doing this through grants? I think (as the following discussion</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">shows) that deciding within the PSC what specific work to fund is always</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">open to discussions. Grants have proved IMHO to be a transparent and</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">efficient way of investing.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Cheers.</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Il 14/11/19 08:23, Andreas Neumann ha scritto:</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Hi Tim</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Improving our infrastructure (stripe integration, changelog, etc.) is</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">definitely worth-while investing into it. Do you have estimates, how</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">much time/money certain tasks would imply?</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Or should we say - let's dedicate 10k € and let you work with it?</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Yes, I also agree that bug fixing is always useful.</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Thanks for your reply and greetings,</span><br /><br />Andreas<br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">On 2019-11-14 01:00, Tim Sutton wrote:</span><br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">Hi<br /> I would be grateful if we (Kartoza) could get funded to add the stripe<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">etc integration into the sponsorships platform, stripe payments for</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">certifications, and also improving the infrastructure management to</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">have a better setup for hosting plugins, feed, changelog, planet, and</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">automating the hosting of API Docs and QGIS site as GitHub pages or</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">similar static hosting environment. Many of these task are already</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">underway but it would help us to get dedicated time from Anita Hapsari</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">onto this.</span><br /> Beyond that bug fixing is always a worthwhile thing to spend funds on,<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">we seem to have an endless supply :-P</span><br /> Regards<br /> Tim<br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">On 13 Nov 2019, at 21:57, Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net">a.neumann@carto.net</a></span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><mailto:<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net">a.neumann@carto.net</a>>> wrote:</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Hi all,</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">I compiled a summary of our financial situation and compare it with</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">the budget:</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I_xXVE8RGBNFnJGoBhdLYO4MVm8DlCRudhM1DRINSq8/edit#gid=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I_xXVE8RGBNFnJGoBhdLYO4MVm8DlCRudhM1DRINSq8/edit#gid=0</a></span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">I also added expected income and expenses. Both our income and</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">expenses will be higher than expected.</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">In summary, we should spend an additional 15-18k € until the end of</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">the year that is not in the budget or expected expenses in order not</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">to have to pay taxes on revenues.</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Any ideas? Do we have useful and important work that could be</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">finished until January for around 15k?</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Should we invest more QGIS bug fixing? Documentation (if we find</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">one)? Our infrastructure? Or upstream qt5 improvements?</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Thanks for the discussion,</span><br /><br />Andreas<br /><br />_______________________________________________<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Qgis-psc mailing list</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a></span></blockquote>
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