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<p>Hi Andreas,</p>
<p>I totally agree, if an external service is not able to handle the
size, this is a killer argument to setup "a beefy enough server"
(to put it in Evens words) on our own.</p>
<p>At opengis, we could spend 5 days on this in January, I'm happy
to know if the PSC decides that this project should be a priority.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Matthias<br>
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<p>Hi Matthias,</p>
<p>Outsourcing infrastructure is preferred - I think. But if the
outsourced services are so limited that they can't handle a
large project like QGIS, or take waaayyyyy ttoooooo
loooooongggggg to build, then self-hosted might be superior? A
six or 8-core machine at Hetzners is certainly affordable.</p>
<p>Certainly something to investigate.</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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<p>Hi Andreas,</p>
<p>It would certainly be an option. And there are others as
well (like good old Jenkins for example).</p>
<p>Are you asking for self-hosted because of performance or
for other reasons? I think in the past there was a shift
towards outsourcing such things to external services that
do this as their core business instead of having to manage
infrastructure on our own (e.g. github, travis).</p>
<p>As mentioned before, I think someone will need to invest
some real time to exploring possibilities and limitations
to be able to come forward with a good plan of action. I
think it would be good to have a week of time to test
different options.</p>
<p>Matthias</p>
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<p>Hi Matthias,</p>
<p>Would it be an option to "self-host" appveyor at our
own (to be ordered) Hetzner Windows machine?</p>
<p>I see that Appveyor offers a self-hosted version, free
for one team and with only community support: <a
href="https://www.appveyor.com/self-hosted/"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.appveyor.com/self-hosted/</a></p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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<p>Hi Andreas,</p>
<p>Yes, I remember this. I also invested some time
into AppVeyor back then and the timeouts.</p>
<p>Finding a reliable solution and exploring
possibilities will be an investment in itself
already. I think that with a good financial
situation, it's also a good possibility for the
project to invest into such an area with a
potentially great benefit. But it's ultimately the
PSC's decision if the project prefers to sponsor
this work or hope for it to happen and outsource
the work and risks.</p>
<p>Matthias</p>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>The Windows CI thing would be worth-wile to
invest it. But I think we already had it in the
past and because of a lot of problems (e.g.
timeouts when building, etc.) we stopped using
it. I know that we definitely paid for such a
service in the past. It was called "Appveyor"
back then. Nyall might know more about it. I
think he paid for it upfront and then I
reimbursed him. That was in 2016.</p>
<p>I think we would first have to find a reliable
solution for Windows CI before investing into
it.</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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padding-left: 1ex;">Any ideas? Do we
have useful and important work that
could be finished <br>
until January for around 15k?</blockquote>
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style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
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padding-left: 1ex;">Should we invest
more QGIS bug fixing? Documentation
(if we find one)? <br>
Our infrastructure? Or upstream qt5
improvements?</blockquote>
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the infrastructure side, there seems
to be interest in Windows based CI.
See current thread on [Qgis-psc]
Direct push forbidden to master.
However, I'm not 100% sure how this
relates to a previous discussion
from 2018 in the
thread [QGIS-Developer] Windows
compilation infrastructure.</div>
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