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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Yes, Jitsi was the only decision we finalized yesterday.
Everything else needs investigations.</p>
<p>And as Anita pointed out: let's not rush to Nextcloud yet and
split up our resources in several places without tests, migration
plans and assessment. To me, the collaborative simultaneous
editing in documents (e.g. the meeting minutes) is a crucial
thing. Unless Nextcloud can provide this, it is not an option for
me to move to Nextcloud.</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Andreas<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 08.04.20 um 13:50 schrieb Marco
Bernasocchi:<br>
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<p>Hi Tim, Hi Paolo,</p>
<p>I was writing a mail and than had to quickly leave, meanwhile
Tim expressed more or less my thoughts.</p>
<p>We voted on making a policy on adopting new tools as a FOSS
first when a *reasonable* solution is available we did not vote
on moving to nextcloud now.</p>
<p>As you told me yesterday, what I might see as practical might
not be practical for others, I guess I could quote you now.</p>
<p>We've agreed to move jitsi instead of google meet, not on
changing everything now. The vote on nextcloud had a 0 result
even before Tim's -1. and yet you start using what _you_ suggest
being more practical.<br>
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<p>Same goes for polls/ML as an alternative to loomio, we have a
good opensource solution that successfully worked last year [1],
is AGPLv3 [2] and offers us a massive discount on their service
(we pay 1$/user/year instead of per month [4]) and could even be
self hosted [3] and yet you write in the OSGEO-SAC ticket [5]
that "we are planning to use it".</p>
<p> With all respect, I think It is not about loomio/the tools it
is, as I mentioned earlier today in the website PR [6], about
the discussions we have as PSC and not only your opinion.</p>
<p>Ciao</p>
<p>Marco<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loomio.org/d/BO2LChvc/general-assembly-2019/8" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.loomio.org/d/BO2LChvc/general-assembly-2019/8</a>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/loomio/loomio/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/loomio/loomio/</a>
[3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.loomio.org/en/dev_manual/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://help.loomio.org/en/dev_manual/</a>
[4] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loomio.org/special_pricing" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.loomio.org/special_pricing</a>
[5] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2434" moz-do-not-send="true">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2434</a>
[6] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/747" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/747</a>
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<div class="">It’s a pity I was not allowed to join the meeting
yesterday, anyway, I have added my votes in the meeting
document. If I had been there, I would have suggested changing
the wording as per my comments below:</div>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: circle; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Paolo suggests free software should be the first choice. We should choose proprietary alternatives only when it is proven that free software fails to provide a reasonable solution. The PSC should vote in case a proprietary solution is suggested.</span></div></li>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: square; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">+1 Anita</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: square; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">-1 Tim - Prefer that we vote on <b class="">any</b> solution (Proprietary or FOSS and choose it based on merrits rather than its license).</span></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">
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<div class="">Paolo I think you are jumping the gun writing
stuff in NextCloud below - we should approach things in an
orderly and democratic fashion:</div>
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<div class="">1 someone proposes a new platform e.g. next cloud
for docs</div>
<div class="">2 they propose a migration strategy for existing
content that needs to move to that platform</div>
<div class="">3 they propose who will do the migration</div>
<div class="">4 they propose what if any funding implications
there are</div>
<div class="">5 they propose a timeline for the migration</div>
<div class="">6 they describe how the infrastructure is managed
if it is self hosted (e.g. do we have backups, who has admin,
who fixes issues)</div>
<div class="">7 we vote on it having been given reasonable time
to consider the above information and test out the alternative</div>
<div class="">8 assuming we vote to agree with the proposal </div>
<div class="">9 we then start using the new platform</div>
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<div class="">I don’t think it is fair or reasonable to just
skip 1-8 and start on 9.</div>
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<div class="">Regards</div>
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following the resolution of yesterday, I set up a
shared dir in:<br class="">
<a href="https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/</a><br
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and I wrote a document on the proprietary software we
currently use, and<br class="">
the possible alternatives.<br class="">
Comments are most welcome.<br class="">
Please note: there is a native free client for all
major OSs, so this<br class="">
should be fast and easy to use.<br class="">
Cheers.<br class="">
-- <br class="">
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