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<p>Hi Tim, Hi Paolo,</p>
<p>I was writing a mail and than had to quickly leave, meanwhile Tim
expressed more or less my thoughts.</p>
<p>We voted on making a policy on adopting new tools as a FOSS first
when a *reasonable* solution is available we did not vote on
moving to nextcloud now.</p>
<p>As you told me yesterday, what I might see as practical might not
be practical for others, I guess I could quote you now.</p>
<p>We've agreed to move jitsi instead of google meet, not on
changing everything now. The vote on nextcloud had a 0 result even
before Tim's -1. and yet you start using what _you_ suggest being
more practical.<br>
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<p>Same goes for polls/ML as an alternative to loomio, we have a
good opensource solution that successfully worked last year [1],
is AGPLv3 [2] and offers us a massive discount on their service
(we pay 1$/user/year instead of per month [4]) and could even be
self hosted [3] and yet you write in the OSGEO-SAC ticket [5] that
"we are planning to use it".</p>
<p> With all respect, I think It is not about loomio/the tools it
is, as I mentioned earlier today in the website PR [6], about the
discussions we have as PSC and not only your opinion.</p>
<p>Ciao</p>
<p>Marco<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loomio.org/d/BO2LChvc/general-assembly-2019/8">https://www.loomio.org/d/BO2LChvc/general-assembly-2019/8</a>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/loomio/loomio/">https://github.com/loomio/loomio/</a>
[3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.loomio.org/en/dev_manual/">https://help.loomio.org/en/dev_manual/</a>
[4] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loomio.org/special_pricing">https://www.loomio.org/special_pricing</a>
[5] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2434">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2434</a>
[6] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/747">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/747</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08.04.20 12:46, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
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<div class="">It’s a pity I was not allowed to join the meeting
yesterday, anyway, I have added my votes in the meeting
document. If I had been there, I would have suggested changing
the wording as per my comments below:</div>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: square; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">-1 Tim - Prefer that we vote on <b class="">any</b> solution (Proprietary or FOSS and choose it based on merrits rather than its license).</span></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">
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<div class="">Paolo I think you are jumping the gun writing
stuff in NextCloud below - we should approach things in an
orderly and democratic fashion:</div>
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<div class="">1 someone proposes a new platform e.g. next cloud
for docs</div>
<div class="">2 they propose a migration strategy for existing
content that needs to move to that platform</div>
<div class="">3 they propose who will do the migration</div>
<div class="">4 they propose what if any funding implications
there are</div>
<div class="">5 they propose a timeline for the migration</div>
<div class="">6 they describe how the infrastructure is managed if
it is self hosted (e.g. do we have backups, who has admin, who
fixes issues)</div>
<div class="">7 we vote on it having been given reasonable time to
consider the above information and test out the alternative</div>
<div class="">8 assuming we vote to agree with the proposal </div>
<div class="">9 we then start using the new platform</div>
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<div class="">I don’t think it is fair or reasonable to just skip
1-8 and start on 9.</div>
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<div class="">Regards</div>
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following the resolution of yesterday, I set up a shared
dir in:<br class="">
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/</a><br
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and I wrote a document on the proprietary software we
currently use, and<br class="">
the possible alternatives.<br class="">
Comments are most welcome.<br class="">
Please note: there is a native free client for all major
OSs, so this<br class="">
should be fast and easy to use.<br class="">
Cheers.<br class="">
-- <br class="">
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faunalia.eu">www.faunalia.eu</a>: training, support, development on QGIS,
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