<div dir="auto">Hey,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I was always under the assumption the votes are anonymous and IMO it should stay that way. I feel like any votes for this kind of thing (positions of power etc) should always be anonymous to avoid 1) hurt feeling "I thought they liked me why didn't they vote for me" 2) people questioning other people's votes after the fact e.g bullying 3) if just feels off to me for this kind of thing.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's like when we vote here in Australia. We get marked off that we have voted before we vote and then we vote in a seperate section with no connection to name. I know that doing this non electronically allows for this flow better, but I think we should look for options to allow that kind of thing.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I know we are doing the best we can for now but if double votes and/or being voted for the different positions is a issue I think we should address that first before dumping lists of names and who voted for who.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- Nathan </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 3 May 2020, 4:54 am Tim Sutton, <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com">tim@kartoza.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Sounds good to me. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tim</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 2 May 2020, 17:28 Andreas Neumann, <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">a.neumann@carto.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>We can discuss it in the next meeting. But I am also reluctant,
as we didn't communicate it in advance. Not ideal. We can start
doing next year and clearly tell people about it.<br>
</p>
<p>Andreas<br>
</p>
<div>Am 02.05.20 um 18:11 schrieb Marco
Bernasocchi:<br>
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<p>We could do that, we need to check in the charter and previous
communications if it is not said somewhere that the votes are
anonymous. We need to be sure that we'd not break anybody's
trust by maybe changing a policy. <br>
</p>
<p> let's discuss it Tuesday.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Marco<br>
</p>
<div>On 02.05.20 17:33, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
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Hi
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<div>Why don’t we already publish the list of voters
and their votes (with email addresses removed) somewhere e.g.
in the AGM minutes. That way all voters can confirm that their
vote was registered as intended, and members of the country
groups can confirm that their collective vote was recorded as
expected?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tim<br>
<div><br>
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<div>On 2 May 2020, at 12:51, Andreas Neumann
<<a href="mailto:andreas@qgis.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">andreas@qgis.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Marco,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>My comments are inline.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 2 May 2020
at 13:22, Marco Bernasocchi <<a href="mailto:marco@qgis.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">marco@qgis.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi All,<span> </span><br>
</p>
<div>On 02.05.20 11:20, Andreas Neumann
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I kind of compare our voting
members with a parliament. Because voting
members are representatives of other people,</p>
</blockquote>
only half of the voting members represent other
people<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>One could really argue about this. Our
contributor community is much larger than we have
community voting members. Also, the community
votes for their voting members to represent the
whole community. So in this sense, all voting
members vote on behalf of a larger community they
represent.<br>
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<p>it is important that these votes
are public and not anonymous. All votes of
parliament members are public (at least in
many countries). In Switzerland there is a
website that publishes all votes of all
parliament members:<span> </span><a href="https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/abstimmungen/wer-hat-wie-abgestimmt-im-nationalrat" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/abstimmungen/wer-hat-wie-abgestimmt-im-nationalrat</a><span> </span>(available
in german, french, italian - no english).
There you can filter by party, topic,
people, etc. - it is important that these
votes are public, so one can decide which
persons to re-elect or check if the voting
member voted as promised to the people they
represent.<br>
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<div><br>
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<p>I think anonymous voting would be
important if all our end users would have a
vote.</p>
</blockquote>
as above, half of the people are end users.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Does this make sense to you?</p>
</blockquote>
to me both options are ok, we just need to
decide. it is just a bit weird for me being
candidate and taking care of the correctness of
the votes.<span> </span><br>
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</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree here. As Paolo said, we could
have 2 people outside of PSC to take care about a
correct voting.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Even if we decided to go
anonymous, this would be technically
difficult as Tim said.<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>not really, it depends on the
solution we use. With loomio we can do
anonymous voting [0] for logged in users. They
have a whole guide on how to run virtual AGM's
[0]<br>
</p>
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</blockquote>
<div>That's good to know that a technical
solution exists, should we decide that we want
anonymous voting.<br>
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<div>Andreas<br>
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