<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Régis,</div><div><br></div><div>Hope you are well and recovered fully :)</div><div><br></div><div>I don't have the exact number, but comparing the votes from previous years and the number of QGIS user groups is a good indicator.</div><div><br></div><div>Losing voting rights was just an idea to nudge more participation. There are other methods of persuading more engagement (announcing monthly/yearly most active user groups, asking a local chapter to write a blog post/case study, QGIS.org sponsoring local chapter meetups, ...).</div><div><br></div><div>In terms of having it fair and unbiased, I think Nyall's proposal to limit one vote per organisation seems very reasonable and easier to implement.</div><div>Kind regards</div><div>Saber</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 20:52, Régis Haubourg <<a href="mailto:regis.haubourg@oslandia.com">regis.haubourg@oslandia.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>People can vote for other proposals except not from theirs
and their organisation. Looking through previous years voting,
it would be better to persuade more active participation
especially from QGIS User Group. This can be done:</div>
<div>- Better communicating the proposals and asking them to
circulate it through their users: blog posts, social media,
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Yes, for sure this is a good idea. I will try to push more
discussion in France. Do you have statistics of user groups having
missed a vote?- If they fail to vote on X number of occasions, they will
be removed as a voting member for Y years/until a formal
request....</div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
Well, I gently disagree. The voting culture is different between
countries, but I can't imagine loosing my voting abilities because I
abstained for some years. And we would need to change the QGIS.org
status I think, right?<br>
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<div>Doing so, it will ensure a more diverse and democratic way
of selecting proposals.</div>
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<p>My opinion is that Even's proposal of having a larger voting
member base should be the right one. <br>
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<p>We already have a very biased voting member bias, because most of
us are either self interested, or ultra power users, and we do not
necessarily reflect the massive and silent user base. BTW most of
the do not even know about the democratic nature of QGIS.org. Each
time I explain this to customers, they truly are surprised, and
are really delighted to see how we deal with this. The results are
not perfect, but at least we are building something that gives
trust and hope to our contributors and user. </p>
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<div>I understand it will add overhead and more bureaucracy and
be happy to help if needed.</div>
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<p>I would personally prefer the PSC to be a bit more directive in
the pre-filtering what proposals are really in the priorities for
the goodness of the project.</p>
<p> From what I have seen up to now, this is exactly what the PSC is
doing currently, and I am happy with it this year. </p>
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<p>Take care and keep up the good work!<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 18:14,
Even Rouault <<a href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">On vendredi 29 mai
2020 17:46:15 CEST Saber Razmjooei wrote:</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">> Dear PSC,</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">> Are there any
criteria in-place when voting for grants? I suggest to
have a</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">> similar approach
Marco recommended for handling votes for core members.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">> Specifically, to
keep the voting fair and unbiased, it will be good for</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">> members of the
same organization to abstain from voting for their</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">> colleagues'
proposal.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">And what about for
people with voting rights having themselves submitted one
or several proposals: should they refrain from voting at
all ? or shouldn't they be able to vote for their own
proposals ?</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">If I try to find an
equivalent outside of QGIS context, here in France we have
very small villages (several tens of people at most), and
there are still elections to elect the municipal council:
nothing prevent the candidates from voting for themselves
and their co-listers. Actually, if they didn't, there
would be very few votes!</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">The only solution to
limit bias would be to extend significantly the size of
the voting body, so that people voting for their own
proposal or their colleagues' has no significant impact.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">Actually, preventing
people from an organization to vote for their colleagues'
proposal could introduce bias. If that proposal is "in a
objective way" a good one, not being able to vote for it
and being obliged to select "inferior" proposals could
cause a undesired bias in the results, given the modest
size of the voting body.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">I'd say keep the rules
simple and trust people good judgmenent.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">Even</p>
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