<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes - I also read that the Bitcoin system uses more energy than all of Switzerland and Austria combined as countries. But this seems to be a particularly bad design of the Bitcoin system. Not all of the crypto currencies seem to have this issue.</div><div><br></div><div>But I will reply to the person who raised the issue stating that we are not participating in systems that are not fully transparent to us how they work and where we don't understand the system without investing a lot of resources.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks all for your feedback!</div><div>Andreas<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 11:51, Alessandro Pasotti <<a href="mailto:apasotti@gmail.com">apasotti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I also have some concerns about the crypto currency ecosystem, according to <a href="https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption/" target="_blank">https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption/</a> they are a prime example of wasted resources.</div><div><br></div><div>I would recommend staying away from that kind of technology.</div><div><br></div><div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:13 PM Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I think if we follow the philosophy: "work with tools we understand" we are on safer ground. Yes maybe it is conservative and we miss out on opportunities, but we also reduce our risk exposure. So either someone in our team needs to be willing to deep dive on this stuff or I suggest we just leave it alone for now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 7:34 PM Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" target="_blank">a.neumann@carto.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
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<p>I'm also sceptical ... if I don't understand a system - and if the website about such a system can't explain it in a few simple sentences ...</p>
<p>But maybe I am growing old ... and a bit conservative ...</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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<p>The website certainly looks fancy and uses lots of jargon to sound impress readers. I'm not sure what's behind it / if it's a scam. </p>
<p>I cannot find any good description of Etherscan DEV tokens. For example, are the mined like Bitcoin by wasting huge amounts of energy? That would be completely against our project ethics.</p>
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<div>Forwarding this information to the PSC list. I can't say that I understand the Dev prorocol system, how it works.</div>
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<div>But it is the second time, that someone suggests involving one of these modern, virtual currencies, tokens, etc.</div>
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<div>Anyone interested in examining this system and explain how it works? I don't know what DEV is (some kind of currency?) And APY?</div>
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<div>So, with Dev Protocol QGIS could just authenticate their Github and list the project in stakes.social, the community or any other investors interested in QGIS could then buy DEV, the native token of the platform and stake them in the project. QGIS would get 30% Annual Percentage Yield and the community would get close to 29% APY as of now. </div>
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<div>So for community members it's way more interesting to us to get paid while supporting QGIS, and unlike donations, we don't lose our money. The only possible drawback that this platform has is that it's financed by this token that is listed in an open market, so the value is not fixed. But, since it's just starting and the potential is astronomical, in my opinion, it's not really a drawback because the token will most likely appreciate a lot.</div>
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<div>Just to make it clear with an example, Vyperlang - <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85)"><span style="font-family:neue-haas-unica,synthese,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><span> </span>is a contract-oriented, pythonic programming language that targets the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) - listed their project on stakes.social a few months ago and they've got 18,000 DEVs in rewards, which they sold close to $100,000. </span></span></span></span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85)"><span style="font-family:neue-haas-unica,synthese,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px">If QGIS was listed there I would definitely stake in the project, and that could generate, at current prices, close $2000 a month just from myself! I'm sure a lot of members of the community would rather do this than donate. Also, the Dev Protocol community would also love to help big projects like QGIS, so it's definitely a great way to get financing.</span></span></span></span></div>
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<div>I'd love to hear what you think,</div>
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<div>Thank you for your suggestion about using <a href="http://devprotocol.xyz" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">devprotocol.xyz</a>.</div>
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<div>Can you please describe in a few sentences what this <a href="http://devprotocol.xyz" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">devprotocol.xyz</a> thing is about? I understand this has to do with electronic currencies like Ethereum. How does this work in practice - what does it mean for us as a community, what effort does it take to participate and what benefit can be expected from this system. Do our users have drawback when we participate in this system?</div>
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<div>Thank you for explaining the system in a few simple sentences.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 at 11:54, 'pdotal' via finance <<a href="mailto:finance@qgis.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">finance@qgis.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I'm a member of the community, I used QGIS a lot back in Uni, and use it everyday in my work. I can't afford to donate straight to the project though, I've found out and I'm currently using Dev Protocol to finance projects, they're really great because not only the project creators get sustainably funded but the community also gets paid!</div>
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<div>I'd love if you guys could integrate QGIS into Dev Protocol, that way I could stake all of my DEVs to provide you guys with funding and I'm sure there are thousands of community members that would do the same if this option was available! Their incentives really broaden the community base that's willing to fund the project.</div>
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<div>Here are their websites:</div>
<div><a href="https://devprotocol.xyz/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://devprotocol.xyz/</a></div>
<div><a href="https://stakes.social/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stakes.social/</a></div>
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<div>I really want to hear back from you, what do you think about this?</div>
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<div>Thanks for the attention,</div>
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