<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi All</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks Richard, Alexandre et al.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Well let's run a poll on the telegram group and see how many people would be willing to move over to something else. Though now you have me confused Richard as you have introduced another option with delta chat :-P </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Assuming Matrix is the preferred option and based on your comments about separation of concerns, should we set up a second room for community chat so that we can test it? I would also like to see what the sign up process is like for a matrix room...(hopefully there is no mantra shenanigans involved)....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 12:05 AM Alexandre Neto <<a href="mailto:senhor.neto@gmail.com">senhor.neto@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I agree with Richard. We are probably talking about two different types of users. Keeping telegram for general folks makes sense.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Meanwhile, we could bump from IRC to matrix, which is a bit more feature rich and has decent app for mobile phones.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Alexandre Neto</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">A domingo, 30/05/2021, 11:07, Richard Duivenvoorde <<a href="mailto:rdmailings@duif.net" target="_blank">rdmailings@duif.net</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 5/29/21 12:49 AM, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
> Hi<br>
> <br>
> From my recollection of when we did that with Gitter, the bridged messages look very spammy with lots of extra text around each message. It would be nice to see an example of what the bridged message will look like in telegram before we go ahead and do that. Also occasionally we need to block a user in Telegram and it would be good to know if we can similarly block bridged users, otherwise I would be -1 for adding the bridge.<br>
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> I just want to point out that as of just now we have 1310 users in the Telegram group. I doubt we could get them all to migrate over to something else so although I share your preference for a free chat platform, I prefer to take a pragmatic approach and not try to splinter the chat offering for the sake of something we care about and they don't. Maybe make a poll on the telegram to see how many would be willing to shift over...?<br>
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I think we should leave Telegram for now, it is really working great for general community speak (during Open Days and other).<br>
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I'm not sure if bridging/channeling all communication (via bridges) to each other is needed (though the Matrix/IRC bridge works VERY good, you almost cannot tell which protocol is used).<br>
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I got the feeling that IRC was used by more 'techy' people (though occasionally somebody new pops in, fires a question, wait 30s and then leaves because the question is not answered :-) ). So I'm good with several separate communication channels/rooms.<br>
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But Matrix could be a good alternative for IRC (to me). When working I get ping's from IRC and Matrix on my laptop.<br>
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Matrix IS also a good alternative for Telegram, but not yet installed by the 'average jane/joe', so maybe just wait... <br>
When we started with Telegram also everybody asked 'why not Whatsapp, that is what everybody has...'.<br>
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Things just need time? Not sure how Telegram will survive in the long term for free (without being paid via data-mining or advertisements), unless Microsoft, Google or Facebook acquires it...<br>
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The good thing about Matrix (and also Delta chat (<a href="https://delta.chat/en/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://delta.chat/en/</a>)) is that it is distributed, so no 'single point of power/failure'...<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Richard Duivenvoorde<br>
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