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    <p>+1 for option 2. <br>
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    <p>Anita<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28.01.2022 20:07, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
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          would be good for option 2 - I dont think the PSC needs to get
          involved unless you want to defer to them for advice. For me
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:28
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              <p>Hi all,</p>
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              <p>I don't recall the arguments we had for not allowing
                user groups to join the certificate program and I'm not
                against that.</p>
              <p>So I assume we all agree that user groups can apply.</p>
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              <p>For the review, however, we can't apply the normal
                procedure and need to decide how to come to a decision.</p>
              <p>Here are some options. I prefer the first one.</p>
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                <li>Applications of official User Groups will be
                  immediately accepted by the reviewer. User Groups by
                  definition contribute to QGIS and we can assume that
                  given the expertise in the group the course materials
                  are of high quality and up-to-date.</li>
                <li>After application of a User Group they are asked to
                  provide course materials for review. PSC takes
                  decision based on advise from reviewer (in the normal
                  procedure a User Group takes the decision and if
                  there's no User Group, the PSC takes the decision
                  based on advise from the reviewer).</li>
                <li>Same as 2, but reviewer takes the decission without
                  involvement of PSC.</li>
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              <div>Please let me know your opinions so I can proceed
                with the application for QGIS Ecuador.</div>
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              <div>Best regards,</div>
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              <div>Hans</div>
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                    <b>Sent:</b> 28 January 2022 01:11<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Marco Bernasocchi<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Andreas Neumann; Hans van der Kwast; Kurt
                    Menke; QGIS PSC List<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-psc] Request about
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                        Hans - maybe you can clarify the rationale for
                        not allowing user groups to provide
                        certificates?</div>
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                        Thanks! </div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 27,
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                            QGIS.org Chair<br>
                            OSGeo.org Board member<br>
                            OPENGIS.ch CEO</div>
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                                Hi</div>
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                                Probably one for Kurt and Hans to
                                chime in on. For me I don't see a
                                problem with this idea as long as all
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri,
                                Jan 21, 2022 at 9:50 AM Andreas Neumann
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                                  <p>Hi,</p>
                                  <p>I am forwarding the following
                                    request from the QGIS user group
                                    Ecuador (a new sustaining member
                                    from just recently):</p>
                                  <p>-----------------------------------</p>
                                  <p>Dear Andreas, I have a query.</p>
                                  <p>As a group of users can we be part
                                    of the certification program?</p>
                                  <p>I reviewed the certification
                                    process and registered our request,
                                    however, I received an email in
                                    which they mention that user groups
                                    cannot issue certificates.</p>
                                  <p>I have seen that there are user
                                    groups that are in the program and
                                    therefore register the request to
                                    our user group in the program and be
                                    able to contribute to the project.</p>
                                  <p><br>
                                    I'll look forward for your answer</p>
                                  <p>Cheers</p>
                                  <p>Adrian</p>
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