<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Hans</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Apologies, I stand corrected, I assume Anita also intended 3?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 8:19 AM Hans van der Kwast <<a href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">




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<p>Hi Tim,</p>
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<p>That's in fact option 3: review of course materials, decision by reviewer.</p>
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<p>If there are no objections with that, I'll proceed with requesting the course materials from QGIS Ecuador.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 28 January 2022 20:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Hans van der Kwast<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Marco Bernasocchi; Andreas Neumann; QGIS PSC List; Kurt Menke<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-psc] Request about training certificates from QGIS user group Ecuador</font>
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I would be good for option 2 - I dont think the PSC needs to get involved unless you want to defer to them for advice. For me that follows the Principle of Self Organisation better.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:28 AM Hans van der Kwast <<a href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org" target="_blank">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
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<p>I don't recall the arguments we had for not allowing user groups to join the certificate program and I'm not against that.</p>
<p>So I assume we all agree that user groups can apply.</p>
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<p>For the review, however, we can't apply the normal procedure and need to decide how to come to a decision.</p>
<p>Here are some options. I prefer the first one.</p>
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<li>Applications of official User Groups will be immediately accepted by the reviewer. User Groups by definition contribute to QGIS and we can assume that given the expertise in the group the course materials are of high quality and up-to-date.</li><li>After application of a User Group they are asked to provide course materials for review. PSC takes decision based on advise from reviewer (in the normal procedure a User Group takes the decision and if there's no User Group, the PSC takes the decision based
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<div>Please let me know your opinions so I can proceed with the application for QGIS Ecuador.</div>
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Hans - maybe you can clarify the rationale for not allowing user groups to provide certificates?</div>
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Probably one for Kurt and Hans to chime in on. For me I don't see a problem with this idea as long as all the normal criteria are met.</div>
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<p>I am forwarding the following request from the QGIS user group Ecuador (a new sustaining member from just recently):</p>
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<p>Dear Andreas, I have a query.</p>
<p>As a group of users can we be part of the certification program?</p>
<p>I reviewed the certification process and registered our request, however, I received an email in which they mention that user groups cannot issue certificates.</p>
<p>I have seen that there are user groups that are in the program and therefore register the request to our user group in the program and be able to contribute to the project.</p>
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