<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Anita. Option 2 seems more consistent. It ensures that there are always two parties accepting an application for training certification.</div><div><br></div><div>I also don't expect a "flood" of applications from user groups. It would probably be more the exception than the rule that a user group also applies for running QGIS training with training certificates.</div><div><br></div><div>Andreas<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 14:20, Anita Graser <<a href="mailto:anitagraser@gmx.at">anitagraser@gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I'm not against option 3 but I was voting for option 2 for the
following reason: If the applicant is not a user group, then a
user group and the reviewer check that everything is in order.
However, if the applicant is a user group and we still want to
have two parties that look over the application, then reviewer and
PSC seems like a natural approach.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Anita<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
Hans</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Apologies,
I stand corrected, I assume Anita also intended 3?</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 8:19
AM Hans van der Kwast <<a href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org" target="_blank">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>>
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<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>That's in fact option 3: review of course materials,
decision by reviewer.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>If there are no objections with that, I'll proceed with
requesting the course materials from QGIS Ecuador.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Hans</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 28 January 2022 20:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Hans van der Kwast<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Marco Bernasocchi; Andreas Neumann; QGIS
PSC List; Kurt Menke<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-psc] Request about
training certificates from QGIS user group Ecuador</font>
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Hi Hans</div>
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I would be good for option 2 - I dont think the
PSC needs to get involved unless you want to
defer to them for advice. For me that follows
the Principle of Self Organisation better.</div>
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2022 at 7:28 AM Hans van der Kwast <<a href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org" target="_blank">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I don't recall the arguments we had for
not allowing user groups to join the
certificate program and I'm not against
that.</p>
<p>So I assume we all agree that user groups
can apply.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>For the review, however, we can't apply
the normal procedure and need to decide
how to come to a decision.</p>
<p>Here are some options. I prefer the first
one.</p>
<ol style="margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px">
<li>Applications of official User Groups
will be immediately accepted by the
reviewer. User Groups by definition
contribute to QGIS and we can assume
that given the expertise in the group
the course materials are of high quality
and up-to-date.</li>
<li>After application of a User Group they
are asked to provide course materials
for review. PSC takes decision based on
advise from reviewer (in the normal
procedure a User Group takes the
decision and if there's no User Group,
the PSC takes the decision based on
advise from the reviewer).</li>
<li>Same as 2, but reviewer takes the
decission without involvement of PSC.</li>
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<div>Please let me know your opinions so I
can proceed with the application for QGIS
Ecuador.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Hans</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 28 January 2022 01:11<br>
<b>To:</b> Marco Bernasocchi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Andreas Neumann; Hans van
der Kwast; Kurt Menke; QGIS PSC List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-psc] Request
about training certificates from QGIS
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Hans - maybe you can clarify the
rationale for not allowing user
groups to provide certificates?</div>
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Thanks! </div>
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Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Marco
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<div dir="auto">I also agree with
Tim<br>
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<div>Marco Bernasocchi<br>
<br>
QGIS.org Chair<br>
OSGeo.org Board member<br>
OPENGIS.ch CEO</div>
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Jan 2022, 14:47 Tim Sutton,
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Probably one for Kurt and
Hans to chime in on. For
me I don't see a problem
with this idea as long as
all the normal criteria
are met.</div>
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Jan 21, 2022 at 9:50 AM
Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">a.neumann@carto.net</a>>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I am forwarding the
following request from
the QGIS user group
Ecuador (a new
sustaining member from
just recently):</p>
<p>-----------------------------------</p>
<p>Dear Andreas, I have
a query.</p>
<p>As a group of users
can we be part of the
certification program?</p>
<p>I reviewed the
certification process
and registered our
request, however, I
received an email in
which they mention
that user groups
cannot issue
certificates.</p>
<p>I have seen that
there are user groups
that are in the
program and therefore
register the request
to our user group in
the program and be
able to contribute to
the project.</p>
<p><br>
I'll look forward for
your answer</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Adrian</p>
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