<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Anita. Option 2 seems more consistent. It ensures that there are always two parties accepting an application for training certification.</div><div><br></div><div>I also don't expect a "flood" of applications from user groups. It would probably be more the exception than the rule that a user group also applies for running QGIS training with training certificates.</div><div><br></div><div>Andreas<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 14:20, Anita Graser <<a href="mailto:anitagraser@gmx.at">anitagraser@gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>I'm not against option 3 but I was voting for option 2 for the
      following reason: If the applicant is not a user group, then a
      user group and the reviewer check that everything is in order.
      However, if the applicant is a user group and we still want to
      have two parties that look over the application, then reviewer and
      PSC seems like a natural approach.</p>
    <p>Regards,</p>
    <p>Anita<br>
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    <div>On 31.01.2022 12:48, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
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          Hans</div>
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        <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Apologies,
          I stand corrected, I assume Anita also intended 3?</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 8:19
          AM Hans van der Kwast <<a href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org" target="_blank">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>>
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              <p>Hi Tim,</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>That's in fact option 3: review of course materials,
                decision by reviewer.</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>If there are no objections with that, I'll proceed with
                requesting the course materials from QGIS Ecuador.</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Best regards,</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Hans</p>
              <br>
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                    sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Tim Sutton
                    <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> 28 January 2022 20:07<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Hans van der Kwast<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Marco Bernasocchi; Andreas Neumann; QGIS
                    PSC List; Kurt Menke<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-psc] Request about
                    training certificates from QGIS user group Ecuador</font>
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                        Hi Hans</div>
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                        I would be good for option 2 - I dont think the
                        PSC needs to get involved unless you want to
                        defer to them for advice. For me that follows
                        the Principle of Self Organisation better.</div>
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                        Tim</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 28,
                        2022 at 7:28 AM Hans van der Kwast <<a href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org" target="_blank">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                            <p>Hi all,</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>I don't recall the arguments we had for
                              not allowing user groups to join the
                              certificate program and I'm not against
                              that.</p>
                            <p>So I assume we all agree that user groups
                              can apply.</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>For the review, however, we can't apply
                              the normal procedure and need to decide
                              how to come to a decision.</p>
                            <p>Here are some options. I prefer the first
                              one.</p>
                            <ol style="margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px">
                              <li>Applications of official User Groups
                                will be immediately accepted by the
                                reviewer. User Groups by definition
                                contribute to QGIS and we can assume
                                that given the expertise in the group
                                the course materials are of high quality
                                and up-to-date.</li>
                              <li>After application of a User Group they
                                are asked to provide course materials
                                for review. PSC takes decision based on
                                advise from reviewer (in the normal
                                procedure a User Group takes the
                                decision and if there's no User Group,
                                the PSC takes the decision based on
                                advise from the reviewer).</li>
                              <li>Same as 2, but reviewer takes the
                                decission without involvement of PSC.</li>
                            </ol>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Please let me know your opinions so I
                              can proceed with the application for QGIS
                              Ecuador.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Best regards,</div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>Hans</div>
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                                  Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> 28 January 2022 01:11<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> Marco Bernasocchi<br>
                                  <b>Cc:</b> Andreas Neumann; Hans van
                                  der Kwast; Kurt Menke; QGIS PSC List<br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-psc] Request
                                  about training certificates from QGIS
                                  user group Ecuador</font>
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                                      Hans - maybe you can clarify the
                                      rationale for not allowing user
                                      groups to provide certificates?</div>
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                                      Thanks! </div>
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                                      Tim</div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Marco
                                      Bernasocchi <<a href="mailto:marco@qgis.org" target="_blank">marco@qgis.org</a>>
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                                      <div dir="auto">I also agree with
                                        Tim<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div>Marco Bernasocchi<br>
                                          <br>
                                          QGIS.org Chair<br>
                                          OSGeo.org Board member<br>
                                          OPENGIS.ch CEO</div>
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                                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 22
                                          Jan 2022, 14:47 Tim Sutton,
                                          <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>>
                                          wrote:<br>
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                                              Hi</div>
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                                              Probably one for Kurt and
                                              Hans to chime in on. For
                                              me I don't see a problem
                                              with this idea as long as
                                              all the normal criteria
                                              are met.</div>
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                                              Tim</div>
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                                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri,
                                              Jan 21, 2022 at 9:50 AM
                                              Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">a.neumann@carto.net</a>>
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                                <p>Hi,</p>
                                                <p>I am forwarding the
                                                  following request from
                                                  the QGIS user group
                                                  Ecuador (a new
                                                  sustaining member from
                                                  just recently):</p>
                                                <p>-----------------------------------</p>
                                                <p>Dear Andreas, I have
                                                  a query.</p>
                                                <p>As a group of users
                                                  can we be part of the
                                                  certification program?</p>
                                                <p>I reviewed the
                                                  certification process
                                                  and registered our
                                                  request, however, I
                                                  received an email in
                                                  which they mention
                                                  that user groups
                                                  cannot issue
                                                  certificates.</p>
                                                <p>I have seen that
                                                  there are user groups
                                                  that are in the
                                                  program and therefore
                                                  register the request
                                                  to our user group in
                                                  the program and be
                                                  able to contribute to
                                                  the project.</p>
                                                <p><br>
                                                  I'll look forward for
                                                  your answer</p>
                                                <p>Cheers</p>
                                                <p>Adrian</p>
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                            <div style="text-align:center">Tim Sutton</div>
                            <div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">Visit </span><a href="http://kartoza.com/" style="text-align:start" target="_blank">http://kartoza.com</a><span style="text-align:start"> to find out
                                about open source:</span><br style="text-align:start">
                              <span style="text-align:start"> * Desktop
                                GIS programming services</span><br style="text-align:start">
                              <span style="text-align:start"> *
                                Geospatial web development</span></div>
                            <div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">* GIS Training</span></div>
                            <div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">* Consulting
                                Services</span></div>
                            <div style="text-align:center">
                              <div style="text-align:start">
                                <div style="text-align:center">Tim is a
                                  member of the QGIS Project Steering
                                  Committee</div>
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              <div style="text-align:center">Tim Sutton</div>
              <div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">Visit </span><a href="http://kartoza.com/" style="text-align:start" target="_blank">http://kartoza.com</a><span style="text-align:start"> to find out about open
                  source:</span><br style="text-align:start">
                <span style="text-align:start"> * Desktop GIS
                  programming services</span><br style="text-align:start">
                <span style="text-align:start"> * Geospatial web
                  development</span></div>
              <div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">* GIS Training</span></div>
              <div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">* Consulting Services</span></div>
              <div style="text-align:center">
                <div style="text-align:start">
                  <div style="text-align:center">Tim is a member of the
                    QGIS Project Steering Committee</div>
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