<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  </head>
  <body>
    <p>Dear Adrian, <br>
    </p>
    <p>We have discussed your request in the PSC and I'm writing to let
      you know that user groups are welcome to apply to be part of the
      certification program. <br>
    </p>
    <p>In this case, a reviewer from the certification team will review
      the training materials and give a recommendation to the PSC who
      will provide a second pair of eyes and make the final decision. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any questions.
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>Regards,</p>
    <p>Anita<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01.02.2022 00:44, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAES-DZSaJVofZH1DBonMbXjhDKLtuedX+uV5V0bx18gqBPd40g@mail.gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks
          for sharing your rationale Anita, +1 for option 3 from me on
          that basis.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
          Regards</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:38
          PM Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:andreas@qgis.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">andreas@qgis.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>Hi all,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I agree with Anita. Option 2 seems more consistent.
                It ensures that there are always two parties accepting
                an application for training certification.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I also don't expect a "flood" of applications from
                user groups. It would probably be more the exception
                than the rule that a user group also applies for running
                QGIS training with training certificates.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Andreas<br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at
                14:20, Anita Graser <<a
                  href="mailto:anitagraser@gmx.at" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">anitagraser@gmx.at</a>>
                wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                <div>
                  <p>I'm not against option 3 but I was voting for
                    option 2 for the following reason: If the applicant
                    is not a user group, then a user group and the
                    reviewer check that everything is in order. However,
                    if the applicant is a user group and we still want
                    to have two parties that look over the application,
                    then reviewer and PSC seems like a natural approach.</p>
                  <p>Regards,</p>
                  <p>Anita<br>
                  </p>
                  <div>On 31.01.2022 12:48, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
                        Hans</div>
                      <div
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Apologies,
                        I stand corrected, I assume Anita also intended
                        3?</div>
                      <div
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div>
                      <div
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31,
                        2022 at 8:19 AM Hans van der Kwast <<a
                          href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px
                        0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                        rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div
id="gmail-m_-8376616989667894454gmail-m_8288297138348555343gmail-m_4878366745621376046divtagdefaultwrapper"
                            dir="ltr">
                            <p>Hi Tim,</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>That's in fact option 3: review of course
                              materials, decision by reviewer.</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>If there are no objections with that,
                              I'll proceed with requesting the course
                              materials from QGIS Ecuador.</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>Best regards,</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>Hans</p>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                              <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
                              <div
id="gmail-m_-8376616989667894454gmail-m_8288297138348555343gmail-m_4878366745621376046divRplyFwdMsg"
                                dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
                                  face="Calibri, sans-serif"
                                  color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Tim
                                  Sutton <<a
                                    href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim@kartoza.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> 28 January 2022 20:07<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> Hans van der Kwast<br>
                                  <b>Cc:</b> Marco Bernasocchi; Andreas
                                  Neumann; QGIS PSC List; Kurt Menke<br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-psc] Request
                                  about training certificates from QGIS
                                  user group Ecuador</font>
                                <div> </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div
style="background-color:rgb(255,230,128);width:100%;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(156,101,0);border-width:1pt;padding:0pt;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;text-align:left"><span
                                    style="color:rgb(156,101,0)">CAUTION:</span>
                                  External email. Ensure this message is
                                  from a trusted source before clicking
                                  links/attachments.</div>
                                <br>
                                <div>
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div
                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                      Hi Hans</div>
                                    <div
                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div
                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                      I would be good for option 2 - I
                                      dont think the PSC needs to get
                                      involved unless you want to defer
                                      to them for advice. For me that
                                      follows the Principle of Self
                                      Organisation better.</div>
                                    <div
                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div
                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                      Regards</div>
                                    <div
                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div
                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                      Tim</div>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:28 AM Hans
                                      van der Kwast <<a
                                        href="mailto:h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">h.vanderkwast@un-ihe.org</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                                      0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                      rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                        <div
id="gmail-m_-8376616989667894454gmail-m_8288297138348555343gmail-m_4878366745621376046gmail-m_304776375384392414divtagdefaultwrapper"
                                          dir="ltr">
                                          <p>Hi all,</p>
                                          <p><br>
                                          </p>
                                          <p>I don't recall the
                                            arguments we had for not
                                            allowing user groups to join
                                            the certificate program and
                                            I'm not against that.</p>
                                          <p>So I assume we all agree
                                            that user groups can apply.</p>
                                          <p><br>
                                          </p>
                                          <p>For the review, however, we
                                            can't apply the normal
                                            procedure and need to decide
                                            how to come to a decision.</p>
                                          <p>Here are some options. I
                                            prefer the first one.</p>
                                          <ol
                                            style="margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px">
                                            <li>Applications of official
                                              User Groups will be
                                              immediately accepted by
                                              the reviewer. User Groups
                                              by definition contribute
                                              to QGIS and we can assume
                                              that given the expertise
                                              in the group the course
                                              materials are of high
                                              quality and up-to-date.</li>
                                            <li>After application of a
                                              User Group they are asked
                                              to provide course
                                              materials for review. PSC
                                              takes decision based on
                                              advise from reviewer (in
                                              the normal procedure a
                                              User Group takes the
                                              decision and if there's no
                                              User Group, the PSC takes
                                              the decision based on
                                              advise from the reviewer).</li>
                                            <li>Same as 2, but reviewer
                                              takes the decission
                                              without involvement of
                                              PSC.</li>
                                          </ol>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Please let me know your
                                            opinions so I can proceed
                                            with the application for
                                            QGIS Ecuador.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Best regards,</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Hans</div>
                                          <br>
                                          <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                                            <hr
                                              style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
                                            <div
id="gmail-m_-8376616989667894454gmail-m_8288297138348555343gmail-m_4878366745621376046gmail-m_304776375384392414divRplyFwdMsg"
                                              dir="ltr"><font
                                                style="font-size:11pt"
                                                face="Calibri,
                                                sans-serif"
                                                color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
                                                Tim Sutton <<a
                                                  href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim@kartoza.com</a>><br>
                                                <b>Sent:</b> 28 January
                                                2022 01:11<br>
                                                <b>To:</b> Marco
                                                Bernasocchi<br>
                                                <b>Cc:</b> Andreas
                                                Neumann; Hans van der
                                                Kwast; Kurt Menke; QGIS
                                                PSC List<br>
                                                <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                [Qgis-psc] Request about
                                                training certificates
                                                from QGIS user group
                                                Ecuador</font>
                                              <div> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div
style="background-color:rgb(255,230,128);width:100%;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(156,101,0);border-width:1pt;padding:0pt;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;text-align:left"><span
style="color:rgb(156,101,0)">CAUTION:</span> External email. Ensure this
                                                message is from a
                                                trusted source before
                                                clicking
                                                links/attachments.</div>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>
                                                <div dir="ltr">
                                                  <div
                                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                    Hans - maybe you can
                                                    clarify the
                                                    rationale for not
                                                    allowing user groups
                                                    to provide
                                                    certificates?</div>
                                                  <div
                                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                    Thanks! </div>
                                                  <div
                                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div
                                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                    Regards</div>
                                                  <div
                                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div
                                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                    Tim</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr"
                                                    class="gmail_attr">On
                                                    Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at
                                                    9:28 AM Marco
                                                    Bernasocchi <<a
                                                      href="mailto:marco@qgis.org"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marco@qgis.org</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    class="gmail_quote"
                                                    style="margin:0px
                                                    0px 0px
                                                    0.8ex;border-left:1px
                                                    solid
                                                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div dir="auto">I
                                                      also agree with
                                                      Tim<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <div>Marco
                                                        Bernasocchi<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        QGIS.org Chair<br>
                                                        OSGeo.org Board
                                                        member<br>
                                                        OPENGIS.ch CEO</div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div
                                                      class="gmail_quote">
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        class="gmail_attr">On
                                                        Sat, 22 Jan
                                                        2022, 14:47 Tim
                                                        Sutton, <<a
                                                          href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim@kartoza.com</a>>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                                        rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                          Hi</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                          Probably one
                                                          for Kurt and
                                                          Hans to
                                                          chime in on.
                                                          For me I don't
                                                          see a problem
                                                          with this idea
                                                          as long as all
                                                          the normal
                                                          criteria
                                                          are met.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                          Regards</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                                          Tim</div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 9:50 AM Andreas Neumann <<a
href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">a.neumann@carto.net</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                                          rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
                                                          <p>Hi,</p>
                                                          <p>I am
                                                          forwarding the
                                                          following
                                                          request from
                                                          the QGIS user
                                                          group Ecuador
                                                          (a new
                                                          sustaining
                                                          member from
                                                          just
                                                          recently):</p>
                                                          <p>-----------------------------------</p>
                                                          <p>Dear
                                                          Andreas, I
                                                          have a query.</p>
                                                          <p>As a group
                                                          of users can
                                                          we be part of
                                                          the
                                                          certification
                                                          program?</p>
                                                          <p>I reviewed
                                                          the
                                                          certification
                                                          process and
                                                          registered our
                                                          request,
                                                          however, I
                                                          received an
                                                          email in which
                                                          they mention
                                                          that user
                                                          groups cannot
                                                          issue
                                                          certificates.</p>
                                                          <p>I have seen
                                                          that there are
                                                          user groups
                                                          that are in
                                                          the program
                                                          and therefore
                                                          register the
                                                          request to our
                                                          user group in
                                                          the program
                                                          and be able to
                                                          contribute to
                                                          the project.</p>
                                                          <p><br>
                                                          I'll look
                                                          forward for
                                                          your answer</p>
                                                          <p>Cheers</p>
                                                          <p>Adrian</p>
                                                          </div>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          Qgis-psc
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="text-align:center">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="text-align:start">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="text-align:center">----</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
  </body>
</html>