<div dir="ltr">Indeed it was on my pending list, sorry Denis not to have answered you yet. It has been a pretty packed 2 months. On the last PSC we decided, as Andreas wrote, that you should go ahead with this, I was just looking at the minutes meeting and Andreas answered faster :)<div><br></div><div>So please go ahead and do as much as you can.<br><div><br></div><div>Cheers Marco</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 09:29, Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:andreas@qgis.org">andreas@qgis.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Denis,</div><div><br></div><div>Yes - we discussed this in the March meeting. Marco had a TODO item to inform you. Apparently - this did not happen ;-( There are more TODO items from Marco that seem to concern you (e.g. Qt for Python) - you need to talk to him!<br></div><div><br></div><div>We decided that you can start with the 5k € budget (take it over from Lutra) - and that we need to plan ahead for the 2023 budget.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, as I said, probably in June, I know more about our income side and we can see if we can spend more on MacOS packaging (beyond the 5k in the 2022 budget) in the second half of the year 2022.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Andreas<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 09:15, Denis Rouzaud <<a href="mailto:denis.rouzaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">denis.rouzaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear PSC,<br><div><br></div><div>Is there any news on this front?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Denis</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 10 févr. 2022 à 11:49, Denis Rouzaud <<a href="mailto:denis.rouzaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">denis.rouzaud@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Dear PSC,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">After some internal discussions at OPENGIS.ch, I would like to raise my interest and motivation for being involved in the MacOS packaging and maintenance.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="Arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">It has been already discussed with Peter who is happy to step back from macos maintenance.</span></font></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">As a small recap of the technical situation, the current dependency build system is based on an old work from Matthias, Osgeo4a. It has been used until recently for QField too, but was switched to a generic and actively maintained package management system: Microsoft’s vcpkg because of the huge maintenance overhead.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">A complete rewrite of the current dependencies build system sounds premature though.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I would like to propose the following approach:</span></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li dir="ltr" style="margin-left:15px;list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">We get involved into the packaging for MacOS, taking over current Lutra’s assignment for 2022</span></p></li><li dir="ltr" style="margin-left:15px;list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">We spend the available time in budget (5000 € at 110€/h, including the notarization, correct me if I’m wrong) to</span></p></li><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li dir="ltr" style="margin-left:15px;list-style-type:circle;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">update the deps to a recent state </span></p></li><li dir="ltr" style="margin-left:15px;list-style-type:circle;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">build and bundle next releases 3.24+</span></p></li><li dir="ltr" style="margin-left:15px;list-style-type:circle;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">try to bring the notarization with this release</span></p></li><li dir="ltr" style="margin-left:15px;list-style-type:circle;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">try to bring the build of deps and maybe QGIS into a CI</span></p></li></ul></ul><br><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li dir="ltr" style="margin-left:15px;list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">I believe this would be very difficult with the available time, and would propose to report back when I reach 80% of the budget. We would then discuss on the possible approaches (financing, an official sponsorship from OPENGIS.ch, maybe some “free” work from other contributors)</span></p></li></ul><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">For the future, we believe that the maintenance of the dependency management system should not be on QGIS alone and instead should be mutualized among platforms, developers and with the industry. Be it vcpkg or something else, we should introduce an actively maintained solution. This is a future yet unplanned work, but I would like to mention this to clearly state our vision regarding the optimal solution after 2022.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Last but not least is the question of the arm packages for MacOS. I think that I would be able to bring a roadmap and work estimation once I’ve worked a bit more on our packaging system. I think we could plan something before the end of the year.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">What are your thoughts regarding the finances for these two things (dependency management system and arm packages for QGIS)? Is this something that must be postponed to 2023 or would it still be possible this year?</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><br></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Please let me know your thoughts.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Kind regards,</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Denis</span></p></div>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Marco Bernasocchi<div><div><br></div><div>QGIS.org Chair<br>OPENGIS.ch CEO</div></div><div><a href="http://berna.io" target="_blank">http://berna.io</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>