<div dir="ltr">Hi Tim, Régis,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for opening the rabbit hole.</div><div><br></div><div>In a chat last week with Harrissou and Richard it was also mentioned that transifex has other (technical) issues that make it hard to use sometimes and the option to switch was raised.</div><div><br></div><div>I had a quick look at pontoon and I'm not sure it's an option looking at supported formats [1] which does not mention .ts.</div><div>Weblate also lists those formats [2].</div><div><br></div><div>The biggest challenge I see IF we decide to switch is to have all translators migrate to a new platform. It's presumably possible but will need a good amount of communication effort.</div><div><br></div><div>On the economical side of things I would prefer to look at the options hosted vs. self-hosted side-by-side and budgeting this properly (also taking into account the initial knowledge acquisition cost of multiple maintainers, server maintenance etc).</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Matthias</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://mozilla-pontoon.readthedocs.io/en/latest/">https://mozilla-pontoon.readthedocs.io/en/latest/</a></div><div>[2] <a href="https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/formats.html">https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/formats.html</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:58 AM Régis Haubourg <<a href="mailto:regis.haubourg@gmail.com">regis.haubourg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Tim, <br></div><div>thanks for raising this rabbit hole issue :)<br></div><div><br></div><div>We have currently more than 1.5 M strings to translate, and we probably need 166K strings for 1.5M words to handle growth in the next years. <br></div><div>I know that Harrissou and Matthias mentioned Weblate as an open source alternative. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Looking at the feature grid for Libre projects of Weblate, I'm afraid we will have issues with the limit of 10 000 strings to translate. If we don't want to host it ourselves, we might anyway have to go to paying plans. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Paid plans for transifex will cost a lot too. I see something between 420 € to 1200 $ / month at least, and this depends a lot if they count strings or words as a reference.</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect the economic model of cloud weblate would lead us to similar costs. <br></div><div><br></div><div>So, I'd prefer the PSC sponsoring someone to try pontoon or weblate self-hosted alternative. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Régis<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 22 août 2022 à 10:58, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi all</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">RABBIT HOLE WARNING</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">So I have been looking over the options we have for doing live translations via transifex or other platforms. I discovered here:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="https://docs.transifex.com/projects/open-source-project" target="_blank">https://docs.transifex.com/projects/open-source-project</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">that we are not really (i.e. not at all) meeting the criteria of Transifex any more. Particularly this one:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">"Transifex offers an Open Source Program to Open Source projects that
have <b>no funding, revenue, and/or commercialization model</b>. The intent is
to support <b>small</b> and independent Open Source projects."<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I think we should address this and either a) pay to use transifex or b) look into using an open source alternative like pontoon (<a href="https://github.com/mozilla/pontoon/" target="_blank">https://github.com/mozilla/pontoon/</a>). Pontoon looks great and seems to provide quite similar capabilities for the current workflows we have. The gotcha seems to be they really try to nudge you to deploying on heroku which is yet more managed infrastructure.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Another thing we are wondering is if we can find a system that lets you do live translations like transifex does (we don't currently use the feature but it would let us separate parts of the web site into something more dynamically updatable via a CMS).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">So my questions are:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">* what do we do about transifex terms and conditions?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">* has anyone looked at alternatives before and come up with a good system?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">* is there any interest in us hosting our own pontoon instance?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:center">------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"></div><img style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="text-align:center">Tim Sutton</div><div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">Visit </span><a href="http://kartoza.com/" style="text-align:start" target="_blank">http://kartoza.com</a><span style="text-align:start"> to find out about open source:</span><br style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:start"> * Desktop GIS programming services</span><br style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:start"> * Geospatial web development</span></div><div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">* GIS Training</span></div><div style="text-align:center"><span style="text-align:start">* Consulting Services</span></div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:center"></div><div style="text-align:start"><div style="text-align:center">Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee</div><div style="text-align:center">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
_______________________________________________<br>
Qgis-psc mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
</blockquote></div>
_______________________________________________<br>
Qgis-psc mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br>
</blockquote></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left"><a href="https://qfield.org/get/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.opengis.ch/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Qfield_Banner_email.png" alt="https://qfield.org/get/"></a><span style="font-family:Arial"><a><br></a></span></div><div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-family:Arial">QFIELD 2.0 IS HERE!<span style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font size="3"> </font></span>- Hold the power of QGIS in your hand</span><span style="font-family:Arial"> - <a href="https://www.opengis.ch/2022/04/05/qfield-2-0-is-here/" target="_blank">learn more</a> - <a href="https://qfield.org/get" target="_blank">get it now</a><br></span></div>