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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>Just a quick note that OSGeo has an instance of Weblate. And if
I'm not wrong this is what GRASS and PostGIS are using.</p>
<p>Harrissou<br>
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<div>Hi Tim, <br>
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<div>thanks for raising this rabbit hole issue :)<br>
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<div>We have currently more than 1.5 M strings to translate, and
we probably need 166K strings for 1.5M words to handle growth
in the next years. <br>
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<div>I know that Harrissou and Matthias mentioned Weblate as an
open source alternative. <br>
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<div>Looking at the feature grid for Libre projects of Weblate,
I'm afraid we will have issues with the limit of 10 000
strings to translate. If we don't want to host it ourselves,
we might anyway have to go to paying plans. <br>
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<div>Paid plans for transifex will cost a lot too. I see
something between 420 € to 1200 $ / month at least, and this
depends a lot if they count strings or words as a reference.</div>
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<div>I suspect the economic model of cloud weblate would lead us
to similar costs. <br>
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<div>So, I'd prefer the PSC sponsoring someone to try pontoon or
weblate self-hosted alternative. <br>
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<div>Régis<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 22 août 2022 à 10:58,
Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com"
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all</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">RABBIT
HOLE WARNING</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">So
I have been looking over the options we have for doing
live translations via transifex or other platforms. I
discovered here:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a
href="https://docs.transifex.com/projects/open-source-project"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.transifex.com/projects/open-source-project</a></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">that
we are not really (i.e. not at all) meeting the criteria
of Transifex any more. Particularly this one:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">"Transifex
offers an Open Source Program to Open Source projects
that have <b>no funding, revenue, and/or
commercialization model</b>. The intent is to support
<b>small</b> and independent Open Source projects."<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
think we should address this and either a) pay to use
transifex or b) look into using an open source
alternative like pontoon (<a
href="https://github.com/mozilla/pontoon/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/mozilla/pontoon/</a>).
Pontoon looks great and seems to provide quite similar
capabilities for the current workflows we have. The
gotcha seems to be they really try to nudge you to
deploying on heroku which is yet more managed
infrastructure.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Another
thing we are wondering is if we can find a system that
lets you do live translations like transifex does (we
don't currently use the feature but it would let us
separate parts of the web site into something more
dynamically updatable via a CMS).</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">So
my questions are:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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what do we do about transifex terms and conditions?</div>
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has anyone looked at alternatives before and come up
with a good system?</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">*
is there any interest in us hosting our own pontoon
instance?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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