<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 3:31 PM Paolo Cavallini <<a href="mailto:cavallini@faunalia.it">cavallini@faunalia.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Sorry Tim, could you please be more explicit? Your answer is not very understandable to me.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Sorry Paolo I meant to say that on reading Andreas & Raymond's messages, it does indeed seem to be the case that in general coders that are paid by QGIS receive a higher compensation than documentation writers, except in the case of the two funded positions where the reverse is true.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Thanks.<br>
<br>
On 5 December 2022 13:37:57 WET, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>Oh yes, apologies for the confusion all, I was referring only to the web<br>
>dev and documentation writer posts in terms of pay equity. Maybe we have<br>
>some work to do in other areas to make pay rates more equitable....<br>
><br>
>Regards<br>
><br>
>Tim<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 1:25 PM Andreas Neumann <<a href="mailto:andreas@qgis.org" target="_blank">andreas@qgis.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> I think there might be a "misunderstanding" of "hourly rate" (documenter<br>
>> vs developer) communicated vs "overall budget" (documenter vs sysadmin).<br>
>><br>
>> The "hourly rate" for a documenter was indeed communicated to be<br>
>> substantially lower (44 €) than the rate of a developer (110 €) - both<br>
>> values for the year 2022, while Tim probably was referring to the overall<br>
>> budget of a documenter vs a sysadmin (also to be higher) for 2023, where<br>
>> the overall budget of the documenter is substantially higher than the<br>
>> budget for a sysadmin. But Tim probably wasn't comparing documentors vs.<br>
>> developers.<br>
>><br>
>> Tomorrow evening at 5pm (CET) there is the next PSC meeting. We can invite<br>
>> people interested in the discussion around hiring, wages, social justice,<br>
>> etc. to the meeting, so they can raise their concerns in person and bring<br>
>> in their ideas and contributions. Of course we want this to be a<br>
>> transparent process. We will meet at <a href="https://meet.jit.si/QGIS-PSC" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://meet.jit.si/QGIS-PSC</a><br>
>><br>
>> Greetings,<br>
>> Andreas<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 at 13:39, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:15 AM Raymond Nijssen <<a href="mailto:r.nijssen@terglobo.nl" target="_blank">r.nijssen@terglobo.nl</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Are you sure, Tim? Cause that is not what Andreas wrote? Or have things<br>
>>>> suddenly been swapped this year? Just making sure.<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Do you mean in reference to the salaries? Can you reference what Andreas<br>
>>> wrote that is in contradiction?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tim<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>>> Raymond<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 24-11-2022 22:38, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
>>>> > Hi Jeff<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > I am pleased to tell you: You have it wrong. The documentation writer<br>
>>>> > will get the higher rate and the developer the lower. My rationale<br>
>>>> being<br>
>>>> > that the documentation writer needs to have more specialised skills<br>
>>>> than<br>
>>>> > the developer.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Regards<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Tmi<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > On 2022-11-24 11:09 a.m., Andreas Neumann wrote:<br>
>>>> > > Hi Vincent,<br>
>>>> > ><br>
>>>> > > Thank you for joining the discussion.<br>
>>>> > ><br>
>>>> > > We did not really discuss the hourly rates at the budget<br>
>>>> meeting.<br>
>>>> > From<br>
>>>> > > 2021 to 2022 we raised the hourly dev rates from 100 to 110 -<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> > the<br>
>>>> > > hourly documentation rates from 40 to 44. I know that both<br>
>>>> rates are<br>
>>>> > > low. We can discuss raising them again.<br>
>>>> > ><br>
>>>><br>
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>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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>>><br>
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>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Andreas Neumann<br>
>> <a href="http://QGIS.ORG" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">QGIS.ORG</a> board member (treasurer)<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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