<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I think there might be a "misunderstanding" of "hourly rate" (documenter vs developer) communicated vs "overall budget" (documenter vs sysadmin).</div><div><br></div><div>The "hourly rate" for a documenter was indeed communicated to be substantially lower (44 €) than the rate of a developer (110 €) - both values for the year 2022, while Tim probably was referring to the overall budget of a documenter vs a sysadmin (also to be higher) for 2023, where the overall budget of the documenter is substantially higher than the budget for a sysadmin. But Tim probably wasn't comparing documentors vs. developers.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tomorrow evening at 5pm (CET) there is the next PSC meeting. We can invite people interested in the discussion around hiring, wages, social justice, etc. to the meeting, so they can raise their concerns in person and bring in their ideas and contributions. Of course we want this to be a transparent process. We will meet at <a href="https://meet.jit.si/QGIS-PSC" style="text-decoration:none" id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-500684ec-7fff-cf1f-678b-8c688e1e09cf"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-weight:400;font-style:italic;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://meet.jit.si/QGIS-PSC</span></a></div><div><br></div><div>Greetings,</div><div>Andreas<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 at 13:39, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com">tim@kartoza.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:15 AM Raymond Nijssen <<a href="mailto:r.nijssen@terglobo.nl" target="_blank">r.nijssen@terglobo.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Are you sure, Tim? Cause that is not what Andreas wrote? Or have things <br>
suddenly been swapped this year? Just making sure.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Do you mean in reference to the salaries? Can you reference what Andreas wrote that is in contradiction?</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Raymond<br>
<br>
<br>
On 24-11-2022 22:38, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
> Hi Jeff<br>
> <br>
> I am pleased to tell you: You have it wrong. The documentation writer <br>
> will get the higher rate and the developer the lower. My rationale being <br>
> that the documentation writer needs to have more specialised skills than <br>
> the developer.<br>
> <br>
> Regards<br>
> <br>
> Tmi<br>
> <br>
<br>
> <br>
> On 2022-11-24 11:09 a.m., Andreas Neumann wrote:<br>
> > Hi Vincent,<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you for joining the discussion.<br>
> ><br>
> > We did not really discuss the hourly rates at the budget meeting.<br>
> From<br>
> > 2021 to 2022 we raised the hourly dev rates from 100 to 110 - and<br>
> the<br>
> > hourly documentation rates from 40 to 44. I know that both rates are<br>
> > low. We can discuss raising them again.<br>
> ><br>
<br>
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