<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Obrigado Aurélio pela partilha... só chegamos lá partilhando...<br><br></div>Já agora, falou-se sobre o Modelo de Dados do Conjuntos de Dados Geográficos INSPIRE? E da necessária e desejada harmonização?<br><a href="http://inspire-regadmin.jrc.ec.europa.eu/dataspecification/">http://inspire-regadmin.jrc.ec.europa.eu/dataspecification/</a><br><br></div>Muitas das especificações já publicadas para diversas matérias cruzam com os temas usados em planos, <br>só um pequeno exemplo: "<b>Regulamentação suplementar</b>" do tema "uso do solo" (lu) e esquema de aplicação: "uso do solo planeado" (plu):<br><a href="http://inspire.ec.europa.eu/codelist/SupplementaryRegulationValue">http://inspire.ec.europa.eu/codelist/SupplementaryRegulationValue</a><br></div><div>Definição: Tipos de condições e restrições nos planos de ordenamento do território.<br></div><div>Definição extra: This list is populated with the categories of the Hierarchical Supplementary Regulation Code List (HSRCL).</div><div><br>Será um passo atrás se as normas que estão para ser publicadas em DRE se baseiam apenas no antigo "Catalogo de Objetos Nacional" (DGOTDU) e não tiverem em conta o INSPIRE.<br><br></div>Cumprimentos,<br></div>Ricardo Pinho<br><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">No dia 29 de abril de 2016 às 13:04, Aurelio Pires <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anvpires@gmail.com" target="_blank">anvpires@gmail.com</a>></span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Em relação à "NormaPDMQGIS", há novidades fresquinhas.<br>
    Depois de várias tentativas, realizou-se ontem uma reunião na DGT
    para abordar este tema.<br>
    Estiverem presentes: Alexandre Neto, Duarte Carreira, Rui cavaco e
    Aurelio Pires e da parte da DGT, Dr Carlos Simões e Eng.a Isabel
    Martins.<br>
    <br>
    Daremos mais pormenores com brevidade possível, mas devo dizer que
    fiquei agradavelmente surpreendido pela postura, abertura e
    interesse que manifestaram em relação a este processo.<br>
    <br>
    Cumprimentos,<br>
    Aurelio Pires<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 2016-04-29 12:19, Ricardo Pinho
      wrote:<br>
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          <div>Muito obrigado a ambos! (Aurélio Pires/ Ricardo Silva)<br>
          </div>
          <br>
          Essa excelente iniciativa (NormaPDMQGIS) seria um bom exemplo
          a seguir para a Cartografia.<br>
          Se alguem disponibilizar algum trabalho já feito nesta área
          poderíamos colocar no GitHUB (ou noutra plataforma) para todos
          colaborarmos nesse sentido e quem sabe conseguir da DGT uma
          participação ativa neste processo.<br>
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        Fico a aguardar mais respostas...<br>
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            <div>
              <div>Em relação ao "NormaPDMQGIS":<br>
                Aproveito para alertar que o Reg. nº 142/2016 (9.Fev) "<b>Regulamento
                  das Normas e Especificações Técnicas da Cartografia a
                  Observar na Elaboração das Plantas dos Planos
                  Territoriais</b>"<br>
                <a href="https://dre.pt/application/file/73455617" target="_blank">https://dre.pt/application/file/73455617</a><br>
                <br>
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              <div>Determina o seguinte:<br>
                <i><b>Artigo 9.º - Elaboração das plantas dos planos
                    territoriais</b><br>
                  2 — A informação gráfica e alfanumérica integrada nas
                  plantas dos planos territoriais é estruturada em
                  sistema de informação geográfica, <b>seguindo a norma
                    técnica sobre o modelo de dados para o plano
                    territorial em causa, a publicar pela DGT no seu
                    sítio da Internet</b></i></div>
              <div><i>7 — A simbologia e as convenções gráficas a
                  utilizar nas plantas que constituem os planos
                  territoriais constam da norma técnica sobre o modelo
                  de dados para cada tipo de plano territorial, <b>a
                    disponibilizar pela DGT.</b></i><br>
                <br>
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              <div>Ou seja, num futuro próximo prevê-se a publicação
                pela DGT de novas (?) normas técnicas para modelo de
                dados, simbologia e convenções gráficas a usar nas
                Plantas dos Planos.<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Cumprimentos,<br>
              </div>
              <div>Ricardo Pinho<br>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">No dia 29 de abril de 2016 às
                    11:55, Ricardo Filipe Soares Garcia da <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ricardo.garcia.silva@gmail.com" target="_blank">ricardo.garcia.silva@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    escreveu:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Reenvio para a lista por cortesia,
                        uma vez que  e-mail anterior foi público.<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-29 11:54
                          GMT+01:00 Ricardo Filipe Soares Garcia da <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ricardo.garcia.silva@gmail.com" target="_blank">ricardo.garcia.silva@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                      <div>Olá Aurélio, lista<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      Infelizmente, de momento não tenho
                                      disponibilidade para me dedicar a
                                      este projeto com a seriedade e
                                      energia que o mesmo requer.<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    Os objectivos gerais que defini
                                    quando comecei a trabalhar no modelo
                                    de dados proposto para o PDM foram:<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>* Utilizar formatos abertos, de
                                    modo a garantir o acesso universal
                                    aos dados<br>
                                  </div>
                                  * Utilizar tecnologias de código
                                  aberto<br>
                                </div>
                                * Tornar a instalação de tudo o mais
                                simples possível<br>
                              </div>
                              * Cumprir ao máximo os requisitos da norma
                              técnica emitida pela DGT<br>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        Já não me lembro bem das
                                        especificidades do documento da
                                        norma técnica, mas aquilo que
                                        ainda consigo recuperar (de
                                        memória) é que me pareceu que o
                                        modelo de dados não estava
                                        definido com rigor, havendo
                                        alguma redundância e entidades
                                        com associações pouco claras.
                                        Mas não poderei precisar estas
                                        afirmações sem voltar a estudar
                                        o documento com atenção. <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>O meu esforço anterior
                                          consistia na reformulação do
                                          modelo de dados usando a
                                          linguagem SQL, de modo a que
                                          pudesse ser adaptado para a
                                          criação de bases de dados
                                          geo-relacionais em qualquer
                                          software de gestão de bases de
                                          dados com poucas modificações.
                                          Comecei por usar o spatialite,
                                          que tem como conveniência o
                                          facto de implementar o modelo
                                          SFS da OGC e guardar tudo num
                                          único ficheiro.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Se quiseres aproveitar e
                                          melhorar o trabalho que fiz,
                                          sugiro que olhes para o código
                                          que está no repositório[1] e
                                          tentes colocá-lo a correr.
                                          Como referi em cima, de
                                          momento não posso continuar
                                          este trabalho e não me consigo
                                          comprometer com uma data no
                                          futuro onde consiga pegar de
                                          novo nisto. Talvez se
                                          encontrar uma oportunidade de
                                          trabalho relacionada com esta
                                          temática (ou se alguém estiver
                                          interessado em contratar os
                                          meus serviços), mas caso
                                          contrário será difícil.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Com os melhores
                                          cumprimentos<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          [1] - <a href="https://github.com/qgispt/NormaPDM2QGIS" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://github.com/qgispt/NormaPDM2QGIS" target="_blank">https://github.com/qgispt/NormaPDM2QGIS</a><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <div>
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                                              <div class="gmail_extra">
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                                                      <div><br>
                                                        <div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-29
                                                          10:07
                                                          GMT+01:00
                                                          Aurelio Pires
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anvpires@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:anvpires@gmail.com" target="_blank">anvpires@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                                          <p>Olá
                                                          Ricardo,</p>
                                                          <p>Este é um
                                                          assunto
                                                          (Cartografia
                                                          oficial/homologada
                                                          em QGIS) para
                                                          o qual tenho
                                                          muita
                                                          motivação para
                                                          colaborar, mas
                                                          até ao momento
                                                          o que posso
                                                          partilhar é o
                                                          conhecimento
                                                          do estado da
                                                          arte (que tu
                                                          também o ens)
                                                          e sugestões de
                                                          abordagem ao
                                                          problema.</p>
                                                          <p>Para
                                                          começar, deixo
                                                          aqui duas
                                                          notas:</p>
                                                          <p> * a DGT
                                                          (ex-IGC,
                                                          ex-IPCC,
                                                          ex-IGP) diz
                                                          que para que a
                                                          cartografia
                                                          seja
                                                          homologada não
                                                          é obrigatório
                                                          usar a
                                                          estrutura de
                                                          dados e
                                                          catálogo de
                                                          objetos que
                                                          consta dos
                                                          documentos
                                                          técnicos que
                                                          disponibiliza.
                                                          O que diz é
                                                          que o  modelo
                                                          de dados usado
                                                          na produção da
                                                          cartografia
                                                          tem de ser
                                                          adequado ao
                                                          fim em vista e
                                                          a sua
                                                          descrição tem
                                                          de ser
                                                          fornecido à
                                                          DGT para que
                                                          possa cumprir
                                                          o processo de
                                                          homologação.</p>
                                                          <p> * no
                                                          Brasil, a
                                                          Diretoria de
                                                          Serviço
                                                          Geográfico do
                                                          Exército
                                                          disponibiliza
                                                          um plugin para
                                                          o QGIS, o
                                                          DSGTools [1],
                                                          que permite
                                                          aos
                                                          utilizadores a
                                                          criação e
                                                          utilização de
                                                          produtos
                                                          cartográficos
                                                          de acordo com
                                                          as
                                                          especificações
                                                          da ET-EDGV
                                                          2.1.3 [2].
                                                          Embora esta
                                                          norma incida
                                                          sobre dados
                                                          geoespaciais
                                                          vetoriais de
                                                          defesa da
                                                          força
                                                          terrestre,
                                                          nela são
                                                          apresentadas
                                                          definições,
                                                          conceitos e a
                                                          modelação
                                                          concetual e
                                                          lógica da
                                                          estrutura de
                                                          dados
                                                          geoespaciais
                                                          orientada a
                                                          objetos, e que
                                                          pode servir de
                                                          inspiração...<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          Um abraço,<br>
                                                          Aurelio Pires<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          [1] <a href="http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/DsgTools/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/DsgTools/" target="_blank">http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/DsgTools/</a><br>
                                                          [2] <a href="http://www.geoportal.eb.mil.br/index.php/inde2?id=139" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.geoportal.eb.mil.br/index.php/inde2?id=139" target="_blank">http://www.geoportal.eb.mil.br/index.php/inde2?id=139</a>
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                                                          </p>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          2016-04-27
                                                          15:37, Ricardo
                                                          Pinho wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Caros
                                                          utilizadores
                                                          QGIS,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          A Cartografia
oficial/homologada Portuguesa a que as entidades publicas estão por lei
                                                          obrigadas a
                                                          utilizar e a
                                                          produzir
                                                          atualmente (<a href="https://dre.pt/application/file/73455617" target="_blank">Reg.
                                                          142/2016 de
                                                          9.Fev</a>
                                                          & <a href="https://dre.pt/application/file/57119577" target="_blank">DL n.º
                                                          141/2014 de
                                                          19.Set</a>)
                                                          continua a
                                                          assentar nas
                                                          tradicionais
                                                          especificações
                                                          técnicas e
                                                          simbologia
                                                          oriundas do
                                                          Microstation
                                                          (DGN)
                                                          definidas pela
                                                          DGT.<br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.dgterritorio.pt/cartografia_e_geodesia/regulacao/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.dgterritorio.pt/cartografia_e_geodesia/regulacao/" target="_blank">http://www.dgterritorio.pt/cartografia_e_geodesia/regulacao/</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Venho
                                                          perguntar aos
                                                          utilizadores
                                                          portugueses de
                                                          QGIS que
                                                          puderem
                                                          partilhar,
                                                          sugestões e/ou
                                                          soluções para
                                                          utilizar
                                                          Cartografia
                                                          oficial/homologada
                                                          (1:10.000,
                                                          1:2.000, etc)
                                                          no QGIS usando
                                                          a estrutura de
                                                          dados
                                                          (catalogo de
                                                          objetos) e
                                                          simbologia
                                                          prevista nas
                                                          especificações
                                                          oficiais.<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Em concreto,
                                                          se alguém já
                                                          construiu
                                                          simbologia no
                                                          QGIS
                                                          compatível com
                                                          a simbologia
                                                          oficial, assim
                                                          como se fez
                                                          para AutoCAD
                                                          (DWG)? E se
                                                          podem
                                                          disponibilizar
                                                          essa
                                                          simbologia
                                                          para ser
                                                          testada e/ou
                                                          melhorada?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ficheiros
                                                          oficiais em
                                                          DGN/DWG:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.dgterritorio.pt/ficheiros/dgt/bibliotecadgn10k_zip" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.dgterritorio.pt/ficheiros/dgt/bibliotecadgn10k_zip" target="_blank">http://www.dgterritorio.pt/ficheiros/dgt/bibliotecadgn10k_zip</a><br>
                                                          <div><a href="http://www.dgterritorio.pt/ficheiros/dgt/bibliotecadwg10k_rar" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.dgterritorio.pt/ficheiros/dgt/bibliotecadwg10k_rar" target="_blank">http://www.dgterritorio.pt/ficheiros/dgt/bibliotecadwg10k_rar</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Obrigado!<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Cumprimentos,<br clear="all">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>-- <br>
                                                          <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><font color="#888888">Ricardo Pinho<br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
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