[Qgis-user] Re: Donations -> Knowledge mananagment platform

Fri Mar 30 12:59:33 PDT 2012

Hi,

I took the liberty to remove the link to the forums from qgis.org

Hope that's ok with you.

Best wishes,

Anita

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev at wildintellect.com>wrote:

> Doesn't nabble provide a forum like interface to the mailing lists? If
> that isn't sufficient I know gmane does.
>
> +1 on closing/relocating the forums (as expected since I'm in the
> advanced crowd that dislikes forum technology)
>
> ...goes to like QGIS on all the social media...
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> On 03/28/2012 05:30 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:
> > +1 for shutting down the forums in favour of mailing lists and
> > stackexchange and potentially social media (if someone maintains that
> > stuff).
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:30:48 +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
> >> Hi Bernd,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your thoughts and feedback.
> >>
> >> As a QGIS forum moderator, I've had some discussions about the forums
> >> with some of the QGIS developers. As you might know, developers don't
> >> frequent the forums. The feedback I got was that they prefer the
> >> mailing lists and I can't blame them. Forums are a pretty outdated
> >> technology in my eyes.
> >>
> >> I'm also on gis.stackexchange. Their technology solves a lot of the
> >> issues classic forums have. You can tag questions and it's easy to
> >> spot which question has been answered and what the answer is. So maybe
> >> we could have a QGIS stackexchange site and close the forums? OSM has
> >> a stackexchange site for example.
> >>
> >> We could also close the forums and tell everyone to use
> >> gis.stackexchange instead. That would reduce maintenance necessary on
> >> our side. It would also increase visibility of QGIS in the eyes of
> >> ESRI folks if more QGIS questions pop up on stackexchange.
> >>
> >> Personally, I would welcome shutting down the forums since it would
> >> free me of the repetitive work of deleting dozens of spam threads
> >> every day.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Anita
> >>
> >>  On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Bernd Vogelgesang  wrote:
> >>
> >>> A.S: err ... only replied to Gary directly ... really don't know how
> >>> to work with mailing lists:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Gary,
> >>> hope my non-diplomatic style is not too embarrassing.
> >>>
> >>> Now, the mailing list here seems to be the place for the power users
> >>> and developers, but how do i retrieve infos from that? i already
> >>> store all those mails and try to do local text search in my mail
> >>> client, to find answers. But here, the threads are scattered over
> >>> several digests, and i can't see a way how to get a grip on that in
> >>> more structured way.
> >>>
> >>> The forum seems to be mainly used by novice users, who get answers
> >>> by a handful of advanced people.
> >>> The default forum settings are set that you won't get an email
> >>> notification when someone is answering, so a huge amount of threads
> >>> die, because the thread-initiators and participants don't get aware
> >>> that there is something going on. I already asked to change that,
> >>> but to no avail so far.
> >>> Then, there are only 3 really useful categories (from the users
> >>> point of view):
> >>>
> >>> Help on using QGIS
> >>> Build and Install questions
> >>> Share Tips, Tricks and Ideas
> >>>
> >>> Here most of the communication is done in the first.
> >>> It's very hard to find threads about a special problem, cause all
> >>> the topics are just stuffed into one big bucket and novice users
> >>> often lack the terminology to do successful full-text search to find
> >>> answers.
> >>> Solved problems are mostly not marked as such, so you have to do a
> >>> lot of reading and searching which ends up very often with no
> >>> results.
> >>>
> >>> Then there is this
> >>> wiki(http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/How_do_I_do_that_in_QGIS
> >>> [1]), which is in a concurrence to the "Share Tips, Tricks and
> >>> Ideas" and it seems that there is not a lot going on too.
> >>> (besides, writing an article and writing an article in a wiki where
> >>> you need just another account are two different things and which
> >>> rejects a lot of people)
> >>>
> >>> What i propose is a platform with a single login, which combines all
> >>> those functions of the forum, mailing lists and wikis.
> >>> Posts of any kind should be able to be tagged with an activly
> >>> developed hierachical taxonomy for easier retrieval and
> >>> interconnection of different types of content.
> >>>
> >>> Especially the enormous modularity of QGIS with all its plugins
> >>> needs a better and more structured way of getting informations of
> >>> what this and that modules does, what which setting means, what bugs
> >>> people found, how they found workarounds etc. All this could be
> >>> accessible just by one taxonomy term with the name of the modul for
> >>> example, spiced up with sorting for popularity, ratings or whatever.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There should also be a group system for different audiences,
> >>> projects, interests, languages (not everyone is a fluent english
> >>> reader or writer) so people are able to pick the stuff that suits
> >>> them and subscribe to certain groups, taxonomy terms, projects,
> >>> events, working fields etc. and get notified in a structured way
> >>> when something of their interest had occured.
> >>>
> >>> The easier the access to already produced knowledge, the more likely
> >>> it will be that some people take the effort and collect the bits for
> >>> own articles, tutorials, working examples etc.
> >>>
> >>> I never managed to build sth that i propose myself so far, but i
> >>> invest quite a time investigating "better" ways to connect
> >>> communities and generate and preserve knowledge.
> >>> By doing so, i stumbled upon drupal some years ago, where i see a
> >>> lot of tools (nearly too many) to build sth that would provide all
> >>> means to develope a communication and knowledge management strategy.
> >>>
> >>> There maybe other platforms, but drupal is the only one i know
> >>> enough about to be sure that it could solve a lot of issues with a
> >>> modest investment in time and infrastructure.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your time
> >>> Bernd
> >>>
> >>> Am 27.03.2012, 20:34 Uhr, schrieb Gary Sherman :
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>>> There are more modern and sustainable ways for exchanging
> >>> knowledge and
> >>>>> provide user interaction than this. Just my 2 cents, do not wanna
> >>>
> >>>>> insult anyone with this.)
> >>>>>
> >>> >
> >>>> Such as?
> >>>>
> >>>> -gary
> >>>>
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>>> Gary Sherman
> >>>> GeoApt LLC
> >>>> http://geoapt.com [3]
> >>>> Founder, Quantum GIS
> >>> > Chair, QGIS PSC
> >>>> Book:
> >>>> http://geospatialdesktop.com [4]
> >>>> "We work virtually everywhere"
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Bernd Vogelgesang * Siedlerstrasse 2 * 91083 Baiersdorf *
> >>> +49-9133-825374 [5]
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Links:
> >> ------
> >> [1] http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/How_do_I_do_that_in_QGIS
> >> [2] mailto:gsherman at geoapt.com
> >> [3] http://geoapt.com
> >> [4] http://geospatialdesktop.com
> >> [5] http://webmail.carto.net/tel:%2B49-9133-825374
> >> [6] mailto:Qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
> >> [7] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
> >> [8] mailto:bernd.vogelgesang at gmx.de
> >
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