[Qgis-user] QGIS 3.4 macOS still doesn't install GRASS properly, ... 'sigh...'

Mon Nov 5 08:54:50 PST 2018

I did discuss with Larry once about buying a Mac mini and racking it so
we could have a build/test machine. These days there do seem to be a few
companies that offer this as a service, perhaps we should try one.

https://xcloud.me/
https://www.macincloud.com/

Thanks,
Alex

On 11/5/18 03:44, Alexandre Neto wrote:
> It's a technical and legal limitation. You "can" workaround using a
> custom/hacked Virtual Machine, aka a Hackintosh, but still, how viable is
> that for building and testing purposes?
> 
> Luis Puerto <luiss.puerto at gmail.com> escreveu no dia segunda, 5/11/2018 às
> 11:25:
> 
>> I didn’t thought about that… and I always assumed that you needed a mac do
>> develop in mac, but if you Google about it I think it’s more a legal issue
>> that a technical issue and people is just virtualizing macOS on VMware and
>> other software. Seems that has downsides, but people say it’s workable.
>>
>> Anyhow, I understand about the legal side of the issue.
>>
>>
>> On 5 Nov 2018, at 02:43, Alexandre Neto <senhor.neto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not to read as an excuse, but just to bring one interesting fact, that may
>> explain the lack of will or interest by non Mac developers to solve an
>> issue that affects only Mac OS users:
>>
>> You can build and test for windows using a Linux or Mac operating system
>> with a windows virtual machine.
>>
>>
>> You can build and test for Linux using a Windows or Mac operating system
>> with a linux virtual machine.
>>
>>
>> You CAN'T build nor test for Mac using a Linux or Windows operating system
>> with a Mac OS Virtual Machine unless you use Mac hardware.
>>
>> Apple doesn't make it easy, you need proprietary software AND hardware to
>> help support qgis on Mac OS.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Alexandre Neto
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A sáb, 3/11/2018, 15:20, Adam Dershowitz <dersh at alum.mit.edu> escreveu:
>>
>>> QGIS is supported on macports and works “out of the box” there.  It is
>>> annoying that using both homebrew and macports together isn’t supported,
>>> but that is not a QGIS issue, but a more general package manager issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Luis Puerto <luiss.puerto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey!
>>>
>>> Thanks for the hint. I already knew and I’ve been trying to collaborate
>>> there as much as my ruby knowledge allow me. I have installed both QGIS2
>>> and 3 with homebrew in my machine, which usually take me (us) some effort
>>> every time there is a new release since I like to build in my machine. For
>>> that reason I say I don’t understand why there isn’t any support —as far as
>>> I know— from QGIS development to have real up and running Homebrew tap, so
>>> users just have to type in their terminal brew install qgis3 and then
>>> use the app *out of the box*.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Nov 2018, at 21:21, Alex M <tech_dev at wildintellect.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/OSGeo/homebrew-osgeo4mac
>>>
>>> Is the more or less official attempt to support brew install of QGIS and
>>> friends. If you are a Mac user who would like to help with that effort,
>>> that's the place.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 11/2/18 00:31, Luis Puerto wrote:
>>>
>>> I just want to give my two cents about “the issue” in macOS.
>>>
>>> I really agree with others that rage and anger aren’t going to take us to
>>> anywhere productive although I understand the frustration when you have the
>>> feeling that something is more complicate in your platform for not reason
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> I understand that we, macOS users, are the least concern, since we are
>>> perhaps the lesser ones. And on top of that macOS seems more complicated to
>>> make things just work. And on top top of that seems that there are few
>>> developers of QGIS on macOS. A vicious circle.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate all the work and effort of everyone involve in the
>>> development of QGIS for all the platforms, and specially for macOS, since
>>> it’s the one I’m using. I really really really appreciate the work even
>>> more since I know that a lot of that effort is for free. This is an open
>>> source community and a lot of the people involve just invest hours in solve
>>> problems and to bring new features to users just for their love to this
>>> project. That is really admirable!
>>>
>>> As a Homebrew user I wondering why QGIS development for macOS isn’t more
>>> involved into bring QGIS through that tool, since, at least in my opinion,
>>> make thing easier. It’s true that for a lot of people work with the
>>> terminal is scary. It was for me when I have to return to work with the
>>> terminal for some projects, and remember working with MS-DOS when I was in
>>> high school, so it wasn’t something new. But, if you can install something
>>> as QGIS just typing in your terminal “brew install qgis3” or “brew cask
>>> install qgis3” and after that everything just works it’s just wonderful.
>>> And sometimes just do.
>>>
>>> Again, thanks a lot, and I hope we can workout the issues in macOS.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Luis Puerto
>>> luispuerto.net
>>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:52, Ivano Giuliano <ivano.giuliano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nicolas,
>>> wise words.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ivano
>>>
>>> Il giorno gio 1 nov 2018 alle 18:31 Nicolas Cadieux <
>>> nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca <mailto:nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca
>>> <nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca>>> ha scritto:
>>> Hi Stace,
>>>
>>> This is a help list made up of mostly of users responding for free and if
>>> we don’t know the answer we can’t help.  Your problem has been
>>> acknowledged, you received confirmation that the current download is broken
>>> “Yes, this one was broken, now there is a new version to download that is
>>> fixed (and shouold stay fixed in the future, for this specific problem)”
>>> and that they have found $3000 for a permanent fix for making an easier Mac
>>> installation which is what you are looking for if I am not mistaken. A link
>>> to this project was sent to you. You could contact that team to see the
>>> evolution of that project and see how you can help them with the trouble
>>> shooting.  That would be a positive contribution on your part and it may
>>> get you to your solution faster than you think.
>>>
>>> I know it can be frustrating to be stuck with a software problem when you
>>> need a quick fix but please remember that this is an OpenSource project
>>> where volunteer users and developers are try to be helpful and try to
>>> contribute in a positive manner.
>>>
>>> Nicolas Cadieux
>>> (list user with no link with the QGIS project)
>>>
>>> Le 1 nov. 2018 à 11:35, Mr. Stace D Maples <stacemaples at stanford.edu <
>>> mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu <stacemaples at stanford.edu>>> a écrit :
>>>
>>> 11 responses about how I should contribute more, how my problem was
>>> posted, how I can give money…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not one suggestion for how to fix the issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In F,L&T,
>>>
>>> Stace Maples
>>>
>>> Geospatial Manager
>>>
>>> Stanford Geospatial Center
>>>
>>> @mapninja
>>>
>>> G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples
>>>
>>> 214.641.0920 <(214)%20641-0920>
>>>
>>> Find GeoData: https://earthworks.stanford.edu <
>>> https://earthworks.stanford.edu/>
>>>
>>> Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/>
>>> stanfordgis Listserv:
>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis<
>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I have a map of the United States... actual size.
>>>
>>> It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile."
>>>
>>> I spent last summer folding it."
>>>
>>> -Steven Wright-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: William Kyngesburye <woklist at kyngchaos.com <
>>> mailto:woklist at kyngchaos.com <woklist at kyngchaos.com>>>
>>> Reply-To: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com <
>>> mailto:kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>>>
>>> Date: Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:28 AM
>>> To: "Mr. Stace D Maples" <stacemaples at stanford.edu <
>>> mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu <stacemaples at stanford.edu>>>
>>> Cc: Qgis-user <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org <
>>> mailto:qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS 3.4 macOS still doesn't install GRASS
>>> properly, ... 'sigh...'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know why you're saying not having a working installer with GRASS,
>>> the last few versions have been working as far as I know, I haven't heard
>>> of any problems recently.  Yes, this one was broken, now there is a new
>>> version to download that is fixed (and shouold stay fixed in the future,
>>> for this specific problem).  Really, a polite "GRASS is not working, it's
>>> doing this, or not doing that" on the mailing list, or better a bug report,
>>> is all that's needed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Mr. Stace D Maples <
>>> stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu
>>> <stacemaples at stanford.edu>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seriously, we just can’t get a working installer for macOS? It’s just
>>> never gonna happen, is that it? I’d love to be able to teach QGIS alongside
>>> Esri, but I can tell people to use something that doesn’t work, out of the
>>> box. I’ve been trying for 2 days now to get back to a working copy of
>>> QGIS3. It’s my fault, of course. I know better than to upgrade, now.  If
>>> you aren’t going to test it properly, don’t release it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is what I get when running GRASS tools:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2018-10-31T08:54:25     INFO    GRASS GIS 7 execution console output
>>>
>>>         WARNING: Default locale settings are missing. GRASS running with
>>> C locale.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Starting GRASS GIS...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         ERROR: Path '//' doesn't exist
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Default locale not found, using UTF-8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Exiting...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         WARNING: Default locale settings are missing. GRASS running with
>>> C locale.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Starting GRASS GIS...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         ERROR: Path '//' doesn't exist
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Default locale not found, using UTF-8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Exiting...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I read the ReadMe and followed the instructions
>>>
>>> Yes, I’ve added the ENV variables
>>>
>>> Yes, I’ve scrubbed everything and done a clean install (several times)
>>>
>>> Yes, I even tried the futile installation of the GRASS “required
>>> frameworks” which seem to be the only solutions anyone is able to suggest
>>> on StackExchange.
>>>
>>> Yes I tried installing GRASS on it’s own and pointing to it from the
>>> processing settings, which didn’t work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perfectly open to suggestions that DON’T involve any of the above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In F,L&T,
>>>
>>> Stace Maples
>>>
>>> Geospatial Manager
>>>
>>> Stanford Geospatial Center
>>>
>>> @mapninja
>>>
>>> G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples
>>>
>>> 214.641.0920 <(214)%20641-0920>
>>>
>>> Find GeoData: https://earthworks.stanford.edu <
>>> https://earthworks.stanford.edu/>
>>>
>>> Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/>
>>> stanfordgis Listserv:
>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis<
>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I have a map of the United States... actual size.
>>>
>>> It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile."
>>>
>>> I spent last summer folding it."
>>>
>>> -Steven Wright-
>>>
>>>
>>>
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