[Qgis-user] Qgis-user Digest, Vol 175, Issue 16
RMG
reikogoodwin at gmail.com
Wed Sep 9 16:43:59 PDT 2020
Many thanks, Garth, for your information. The areas I research include some
large protected areas in West Africa (The one I am working on right now is
15,000 sq km), so some rasters and polygons are humongous (> 2-4GB). I have
three external hard drives (4TB, 2TB, 1TB) plus iCloud, so storage, so far,
is not a problem. If miraculously, Mac Pro's (with AMD) price is slashed by
half (won't' happen), that would be ideal.
Best wishes,
Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
Comoé Monkey Project <https://www.facebook.com/ComoeMonkeyProject/>
Guenon Conservation Community
<http://facebook.com/GuenonConservationCommunity/>
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> 1. Re: Intel vs AMD (Brent Wood)
> 2. On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com>
> wrote: (Garth Fletcher)
> 3. Re: Mac computer configuration (Donal Hunt)
> 4. Re: Mac computer configuration (Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto)
> 5. Re: Mac computer configuration (RMG)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 20:41:08 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Brent Wood <pcreso at yahoo.com>
> To: "qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org" <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>, "Maria
> Niermann (23153112)" <23153112 at student.uwa.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Intel vs AMD
> Message-ID: <1552330775.430370.1599684068800 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hi,
> Not specifically AMD vs Intel, that is pretty much irrelevant. It more
> depends which cpu (how powerful/fast, how much memory & how big & how fast
> the disk. Lower end laptops can struggle with significant processing tasks.
> Also do you run Windows or Linux? Linux compatability can be an issue, but
> much less than it used to be.
>
> I have done very well for years picking up recycled ex-lease laptops for
> QGIS/Postgis etc... I reckon a good business quality laptop that came with
> a 3 year warranty when new, is 4-5 years old & has a used warranty for 6-12
> months is generally a much better buy than a new consumer grade laptop with
> a 1 yr warranty.
> A quick search found a few refurbished sellers in Perth (I'm in New
> Zealand so can't advise on vendors there), like:
> https://www.recompute.com.au/refurbished-laptops/https://www.reboot-it.com.au/used-laptops
>
> Cheers,
> Brent Wood
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 2:07:56 PM GMT+12, Maria Niermann
> (23153112) <23153112 at student.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Anyone got word as to any issues that might arise going AMD processor on a
> laptop?
>
> Thanks
>
> Maria Niermann
> MSc Hydrogeology
>
> Studying - MScEnvSc CATWA at UWA (Environmental Science - Catchment &
> Water)
> University of Western Australia
> School of Agriculture and Environment
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> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 16:47:47 -0400
> From: Garth Fletcher <garth at jacqcad.com>
> To: qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: [Qgis-user] On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG
> <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac...
>
> The Mac you describe (12,1) is a
> "MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)"
> introduced 3/2015 and discontinued 6/2016
>
> Geekbench 5 benchmarks for Macs can be found at
> <https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks>
>
> Your Early 2015 earns a score of 763/1622 on their test set.
> The first number, 763, is the performance of a single core while
> the second number, 1622, is the performance when all cores are is use.
>
> While such tests are not the whole story, they do provide an indication
> of performance on an average set of tasks. Too little RAM or a slow
> old style (rotating) disk can greatly diminish performance.
>
> Your MacBook Pro (Retina,...)
> MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2015), 763 / 1622
>
> More recent MacBook Pro models with 1 core benchmarks > 1000 include:
> MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2020), i7, 2.3 GHz, 4 cores 1233 / 4516
> MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2020), i5, 2.0 GHz, 4 cores 1142 / 4238
> MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2019), i9, 2.4 GHz, 8 cores 1115 / 6746
> MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019), i9, 2.4 GHz, 8 cores 1110 / 6945
> MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2019), i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 cores 1103 / 4186
> MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2019), i9, 2.3 GHz, 8 cores 1082 / 6287
> MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019), i9, 2.3 GHz, 8 cores 1074 / 6615
> MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2018), i9, 2.9 GHz, 6 cores 1044 / 5052
> MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2019), i7, 1.7 GHz, 4 cores 1032 / 3882
> MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019), i7, 2.6 GHz, 6 cores 1022 / 5374
> MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2018), i7, 2.7 GHz, 4 cores 1021 / 3989
> MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2019), i7, 2.6 GHz, 6 cores 1020 / 5054
>
> The "i5", "i7" and "i9" refer to different generations of the Intel
> CPU chips used.
>
> Most have SSD (Solid State Disk) rather than rotating hard disks, which
> make a trememdous difference, especially with software that accesses
> very large amounts of file data such as QGIS.
>
> Also consider the large amount of disk space needed if you use many
> raster files. Orthophotographs can require many GB just to cover a
> single town. So far my 1 TB SSD has been adequate, but my focus is on
> just a small area under 50 square miles, albeit with many layers of
> LIDAR, DEM, orthophotos, etc.
>
> For GIS use I would want a larger screen than 13", or plan on using a
> large external screen whenever practical. I find my 24" ViewSonic,
> which cost under $200, to be just large enough for comfortable GIS use.
>
> RAM is always useful and is cheap. This is an especially important
> consideration with MacBooks because you cannot later add more memory
> (MackBook Pro models after 2012). I would recommend at least 16 GB.
>
> Cordially,
> --
> Garth Fletcher
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:26:10 +0100
> From: Donal Hunt <donal.hunt at gmail.com>
> To: RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com>
> Cc: QGIS Users <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration
> Message-ID:
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>
> You can compare the CPU ratings of your current machine vs the ratings for
> the currently available i5 and i7 models of the mac mini here:
>
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-5287U-vs-Intel-i5-8500B-vs-Intel-i7-8700B/2575vs3382vs3388
>
> Additional memory (16gb or 32gb) may also help. You could potentially
> attach a fast nvme drive to the thunderbolt 3 port (you can't upgrade the
> SSD on the latest generation of mac minis as they are soldered to the logic
> board).
>
> I would highly recommend profiling where the bottleneck / performance
> issues are occurring. Tools such as activity monitor, instruments and
> sample can provide more insight. See
> https://gist.github.com/loderunner/36724cc9ee8db66db305 for some
> suggestions.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Donal
>
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 15:04, RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Donal and list,
> >
> > Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
> >
> > Model Name: MacBook Pro
> >
> > Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
> >
> > Processor Name: Intel Core i5
> >
> > Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
> >
> > Number of Processors: 1
> >
> > Total Number of Cores: 2
> >
> > L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
> >
> > L3 Cache: 3 MB
> >
> > Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
> >
> > Memory: 8 GB
> >
> > Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
> >
> > SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
> >
> >
> >
> > Apple SSD Controller:
> >
> >
> > Vendor: Apple
> >
> > Product: SSD Controller
> >
> > Physical Interconnect: PCI
> >
> > Link Width: x4
> >
> > Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
> >
> > Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
> >
> >
> > APPLE SSD SM0512G:
> >
> >
> > Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
> >
> > Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G
> >
> > Revision: BXW1SA0Q
> >
> > Native Command Queuing: Yes
> >
> > Queue Depth: 32
> >
> > Removable Media: No
> >
> > Detachable Drive: No
> >
> > BSD Name: disk0
> >
> > Medium Type: Solid State
> >
> > TRIM Support: Yes
> >
> > Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
> >
> > S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> > Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> > Comoé Monkey Project <https://www.facebook.com/ComoeMonkeyProject/>
> > Guenon Conservation Community
> > <http://facebook.com/GuenonConservationCommunity/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt <donal.hunt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Can you provide the following information from the command line (run
> >> these commands and paste the output):
> >>
> >> *$* system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
> >>
> >>
> >> *$* system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType
> SPParallelATADataType
> >>
> >>
> >> ** you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and
> >> "Hardware UUID" values before emailing.*
> >>
> >>
> >> That will provide some information on your existing system and disks
> >> which will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are
> >> needed. Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and
> disk
> >> speeds (HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope that helps!
> >>
> >>
> >> Donal
> >>
> >> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello QGIS users on Macs,
> >>>
> >>> I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and
> >>> cannot handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite
> images
> >>> and some vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for
> >>> example. To process anything is taking too long. I know there has been
> a
> >>> discussion on ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right
> now,
> >>> what would you recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle
> >>> ArcGIS as well. I do not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac
> Pro,
> >>> though. Is a Mac mini something that you guys use and recommend?
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> >>> Comoé Monkey Project <https://www.facebook.com/ComoeMonkeyProject/>
> >>> Guenon Conservation Community
> >>> <http://facebook.com/GuenonConservationCommunity/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
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> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:36:56 +0000
> From: "Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto"
> <maria.shinoto at zaw.uni-heidelberg.de>
> To: Donal Hunt <donal.hunt at gmail.com>
> Cc: RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com>, QGIS Users
> <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration
> Message-ID:
> <6F647D87-8966-426F-B419-C4C44EF99E3E at zaw.uni-heidelberg.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi,
>
> I can only add to Donal's suggestions, which seem reasonable from my
> experience as well.
>
> Until last year, I have been working on a 13 inch MacBook Pro from 2011. I
> changed the HD to a 500GB SSD and the 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM a few years ago,
> and there was a jump in performance with all my software, I could have used
> it some more years. But QGIS got slow though with LiDAR data last year, so
> I bought a new MacBook Pro with 2GB SSD and 32GB RAM, now everything works
> smoothly; thanks to large storage and RAM in the first place, I assume.
>
> At the moment, I would hesitate to either buy a new machine with ARM or
> Intel processor but rather wait another year or a few months.
>
> In your case, I would try to boost RAM to 32GB in the first place (if 32
> is possible, otherwise 16GB). If things are still slow, I would delete
> everything not needed on a daily basis from the main SSD and get the GIS
> data on the SSD. And then wait for the AMD Macs and look how the reviews
> are. It seems that everything just gets better then and cheaper. And paying
> for RAM now is not such a large investment.
>
> Best,
> Maria
>
>
> > Am 10.09.2020 um 06:26 schrieb Donal Hunt <donal.hunt at gmail.com>:
> >
> > You can compare the CPU ratings of your current machine vs the ratings
> for the currently available i5 and i7 models of the mac mini here:
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-5287U-vs-Intel-i5-8500B-vs-Intel-i7-8700B/2575vs3382vs3388
> >
> > Additional memory (16gb or 32gb) may also help. You could potentially
> attach a fast nvme drive to the thunderbolt 3 port (you can't upgrade the
> SSD on the latest generation of mac minis as they are soldered to the logic
> board).
> >
> > I would highly recommend profiling where the bottleneck / performance
> issues are occurring. Tools such as activity monitor, instruments and
> sample can provide more insight. See
> https://gist.github.com/loderunner/36724cc9ee8db66db305 for some
> suggestions.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Donal
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 15:04, RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Donal and list,
> >
> > Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
> >
> > Model Name: MacBook Pro
> > Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
> > Processor Name: Intel Core i5
> > Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
> > Number of Processors: 1
> > Total Number of Cores: 2
> > L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
> > L3 Cache: 3 MB
> > Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
> > Memory: 8 GB
> > Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
> > SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
> >
> > Apple SSD Controller:
> >
> > Vendor: Apple
> > Product: SSD Controller
> > Physical Interconnect: PCI
> > Link Width: x4
> > Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
> > Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
> >
> > APPLE SSD SM0512G:
> >
> > Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
> > Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G
> > Revision: BXW1SA0Q
> > Native Command Queuing: Yes
> > Queue Depth: 32
> > Removable Media: No
> > Detachable Drive: No
> > BSD Name: disk0
> > Medium Type: Solid State
> > TRIM Support: Yes
> > Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
> > S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> > Comoé Monkey Project
> > Guenon Conservation Community
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt <donal.hunt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can you provide the following information from the command line (run
> these commands and paste the output):
> >
> > $ system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
> >
> > $ system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType
> SPParallelATADataType
> >
> > * you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and
> "Hardware UUID" values before emailing.
> >
> > That will provide some information on your existing system and disks
> which will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are
> needed. Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and disk
> speeds (HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> >
> > Donal
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello QGIS users on Macs,
> >
> > I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and
> cannot handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite images
> and some vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for
> example. To process anything is taking too long. I know there has been a
> discussion on ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right now,
> what would you recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle
> ArcGIS as well. I do not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac Pro,
> though. Is a Mac mini something that you guys use and recommend?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> > Comoé Monkey Project
> > Guenon Conservation Community
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Qgis-user mailing list
> > Qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
> > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:40:28 -0400
> From: RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com>
> To: Donal Hunt <donal.hunt at gmail.com>
> Cc: QGIS Users <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello Donal,
>
> I think I now know which one I want. Thanks for your help.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> Comoé Monkey Project <https://www.facebook.com/ComoeMonkeyProject/>
> Guenon Conservation Community
> <http://facebook.com/GuenonConservationCommunity/>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:04 AM RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Donal and list,
> >
> > Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
> >
> > Model Name: MacBook Pro
> >
> > Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
> >
> > Processor Name: Intel Core i5
> >
> > Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
> >
> > Number of Processors: 1
> >
> > Total Number of Cores: 2
> >
> > L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
> >
> > L3 Cache: 3 MB
> >
> > Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
> >
> > Memory: 8 GB
> >
> > Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
> >
> > SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
> >
> >
> >
> > Apple SSD Controller:
> >
> >
> > Vendor: Apple
> >
> > Product: SSD Controller
> >
> > Physical Interconnect: PCI
> >
> > Link Width: x4
> >
> > Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
> >
> > Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
> >
> >
> > APPLE SSD SM0512G:
> >
> >
> > Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
> >
> > Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G
> >
> > Revision: BXW1SA0Q
> >
> > Native Command Queuing: Yes
> >
> > Queue Depth: 32
> >
> > Removable Media: No
> >
> > Detachable Drive: No
> >
> > BSD Name: disk0
> >
> > Medium Type: Solid State
> >
> > TRIM Support: Yes
> >
> > Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
> >
> > S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> > Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> > Comoé Monkey Project <https://www.facebook.com/ComoeMonkeyProject/>
> > Guenon Conservation Community
> > <http://facebook.com/GuenonConservationCommunity/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt <donal.hunt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Can you provide the following information from the command line (run
> >> these commands and paste the output):
> >>
> >> *$* system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
> >>
> >>
> >> *$* system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType
> SPParallelATADataType
> >>
> >>
> >> ** you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and
> >> "Hardware UUID" values before emailing.*
> >>
> >>
> >> That will provide some information on your existing system and disks
> >> which will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are
> >> needed. Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and
> disk
> >> speeds (HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope that helps!
> >>
> >>
> >> Donal
> >>
> >> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG <reikogoodwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello QGIS users on Macs,
> >>>
> >>> I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and
> >>> cannot handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite
> images
> >>> and some vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for
> >>> example. To process anything is taking too long. I know there has been
> a
> >>> discussion on ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right
> now,
> >>> what would you recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle
> >>> ArcGIS as well. I do not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac
> Pro,
> >>> though. Is a Mac mini something that you guys use and recommend?
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> >>> Comoé Monkey Project <https://www.facebook.com/ComoeMonkeyProject/>
> >>> Guenon Conservation Community
> >>> <http://facebook.com/GuenonConservationCommunity/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Qgis-user mailing list
> >>> Qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
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