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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Interesting!<br>
      <br>
      Just found that you can override the GDAL behaviour of adding
      alpha interpretation (this is the default as described in the
      GTiff format spec <a href="http://www.gdal.org/frmt_gtiff.html">here
      </a>) by adding the GDAL -co command PHOTOMETRIC=RGB. Not sure how
      this tallys with the YCBCR colour model used by JPEG though?<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      <br>
      Andy<br>
      <br>
      On 02/12/2013 16:30, Jonathan Moules wrote:<br>
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          <div>Hi Andy,</div>
          <div>I guess that makes sense.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Relating to gdalwarp:</div>
          <div>- Output files by default are larger than gdal_merge.</div>
          <div>- But they can be much smaller. You have to set
            *both*  -wm and --config GDAL_CACHEMAX - if you only set
            -wm, then the file is actually larger!</div>
          <div>- gdal_merge seems to do something that results in some
            heavy blurring when using -co PHOTOMETRIC=YCBCR - this
            doesn't happen with gdalwarp.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>So the optimal filesize for an aerial photograph is
            rendered with something like:</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">gdalwarp
            -of GTiff -wm 9999 --config GDAL_CACHEMAX 9999 -co TILED=YES
            -co BIGTIFF=YES -co COMPRESS=JPEG -co JPEG_QUALITY=80 -co
            BLOCKXSIZE=512 -co BLOCKYSIZE=512 -co PHOTOMETRIC=YCBCR
            input1.tif input2.tif output.tif</blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I've not tried the four-band stuff again; just trying to
            optimise by 3-band.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Thanks,</div>
          <div>Jonathan</div>
          <br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On 2 December 2013 16:10, Andrew
            Harfoot <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:ajph@geodata.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank">ajph@geodata.soton.ac.uk</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                <div>I think QGIS is innocent in this - if a band is set
                  as an alpha channel then it should be handled as such
                  by default in a viewer (so mark down Arc for not using
                  the alpha information!).<br>
                  <br>
                  GDAL is the culprit as it is adding the alpha
                  interpretation without being prompted. I have just
                  replicated this with some RGBI imagery myself: prior
                  to passing through GDAL's hands the IR band is
                  present, but isn't interpreted as an alpha channel. I
                  can't get the -setci switch to do anything though :(<br>
                  <br>
                  Cheers,<br>
                  <br>
                  Andy
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                    <div><br>
                      <br>
                      On 02/12/2013 16:00, Jonathan Moules wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hi Andy,
                        <div>Yep, that was it. I didn't know QGIS could
                          do that; another good example of software
                          trying to be "smart" and confusing the poor
                          user. :-)<br>
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                            <div>====</div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>I didn't know gdalwarp could do
                              mosaicing too. I'll have to test it. I'll
                              ask on the gdal list if I want to try the
                              -setci parameter.</div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>Many thanks!<br>
                              Jonathan</div>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On 2 December 2013
                              15:48, Andrew Harfoot <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>PS. gdalwarp offers more
                                    flexibility when mosaicing rasters,
                                    and is better at memory management.
                                    I have just noticed that in GDAL
                                    1.10 and above there is an gdalwarp
                                    option -setci that 'Sets the color
                                    interpretation of the bands of the
                                    target dataset from the source
                                    dataset'. This could be used to
                                    remove the assignment of the alpha
                                    channel to the IR band on merging.
                                    Sadly there isn't an example of its
                                    usage!
                                    <div><br>
                                      <br>
                                      Cheers,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Andy<br>
                                      <br>
                                      On 02/12/2013 11:53, Jonathan
                                      Moules wrote:<br>
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                                        <div dir="ltr">Hi List,
                                          <div>I've got a 4 band raster
                                            aerial photography (RGBI)
                                            that comprises lots of
                                            tiles. I've merged some of
                                            the tiles together with:</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote
                                            class="gmail_quote"
                                            style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">gdal_merge


                                            -o 1.tif -of GTiff -co
                                            TILED=YES -co BIGTIFF=YES
                                            -co COMPRESS=JPEG -co
                                            JPEG_QUALITY=50 -co
                                            BLOCKXSIZE=512 -co
                                            BLOCKYSIZE=512 --optfile
                                            tiff_list.txt</blockquote>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>But the resultant file
                                            looks funny in QGIS.</div>
                                          <div>This is what the source
                                            file looks like (correct):</div>
                                          <div><img
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              alt="Inline images 1"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>This is what the merged
                                            file looks like (wrong):</div>
                                          <div><img
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              alt="Inline images 2"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>All the shadows are a
                                            whitey colour. This doesn't
                                            happen with 3-band (RGB)
                                            images.</div>
                                          <div>I've tried comparing
                                            individual bands; they all
                                            look different in the
                                            4-band.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>However, if I open the
                                            four-band in ArcGIS, it
                                            looks fine (both source and
                                            original).</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Anyone know what's going
                                            on? Is it a QGIS bug or is
                                            it doing something "smart";
                                            I can't see anything odd
                                            going on with symbology.<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Thanks,</div>
                                          <div>Jonathan</div>
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