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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are several local authority in the UK who have been migrating to FOSS GIS. QGIS and other open source GIS are more than capable of fulfilling most of GIS users’ requirements. But if the transition to OS GIS is planned properly the changes will not be too sudden and will not affect day-to-day productivity of users.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> There are a couple of points to bear in mind when you plan your migration:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Identifying key components of your GIS workflow which are not currently available in off-the-shelf OS GIS packages. This can be functionality or legacy database/script/add-on/macro. Assess the cost and see which one works for you: invest money/time in redeveloping those in OS GIS (other LAs might be interested and can co-fund) or keep a couple of licenses for those niche tools/databases<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Support/training: make sure your users get the right training and support. For basic users, a mini wiki page to show how general work-flows in your existing software can be done in QGIS. With OS GIS, you have no limits of licenses and you can have more users and eventually having more departments doing their own basic GIS work and freeing up your time to deal with other stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saber<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saber Razmjooei<br><b>Lutra Consulting</b><br><a href="http://www.lutraconsulting.co.uk/" target="_blank" title="This external link will open in a new window">www.lutraconsulting.co.uk</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Buckmaster<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 June 2015 10:52<br><b>To:</b> qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Local Government for QGIS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Interesting discussion – I am responsible for GIS at a small local authority in the UK; we are an ESRI site but I have seen just how far FOSS4G has come in the last couple of years and have now had a proposal accepted to look at migrating our ESRI infrastructure over to PostGIS / QGIS / OpenLayers over the next year. I’ve been impressed at how efficient FOSS is, and particularly for us where we don’t deal with advanced analytics etc, for the tools we need FOSS can provide these just as well, if not better in some cases than proprietary offerings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Does anyone know of any local gov authorities that have gone completely FOSS? i.e. built their own web app(s) and are using open source desktop and database software?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a> [<a href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andreas Neumann<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 June 2015 10:39<br><b>To:</b> Micha Silver; <a href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Local Government for QGIS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Micha,<br><br>Thanks again for your response. I will discuss this with the devs and will probably come up with a proposal, asking for some organizations to join the funding.<br><br>Andreas<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 15.06.2015 10:28, Micha Silver wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Andreas:<br><br>Thanks for your response.<br>I'm quite sure that for most regional councils here, DXF would not be enough. The surveyors and planners that we work with all use Autodesk products. All their work is delivered in dwg, and some do not even know that there is such a thing as DXF.<br><br>I have not been following the Open Design Alliance lately, but including that library QGIS would certainly be a quantum leap forward. After Radim's success in crowd funding the implementation of GRASS 7, your suggestion indeed sounds feasible.<br><br>Regards,<br>Micha<br><br>On 6/15/2015 10:28 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Micha,<br><br>That is interesting - we invested a lot in the DXF export capabilities of QGIS. Once this is finished I am pretty sure we will also look to improve the situation regarding the import.<br><br>Do you think import of DXF is enough or do we also need DWG support? If so, the best bet would probably be the Teigha library from the Open Design Alliance (<a href="https://www.opendesign.com/the_oda_platform/Teigha">https://www.opendesign.com/the_oda_platform/Teigha</a>), which isn't available for free - but it is the library most other GIS (eg. ESRI, Intergraph) and CAD (eg. Bentley, Bricscad, etc.) are using. We would have to pay a membership fee, but it allows us to redistribute the library with the software. Membership in the consortium is affordable in my opinion.<br><br>What are your thoughts on this? Would you also be available to help with a crowd-funding effort? Do you see options besides Teigha?<br><br>Andreas<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 15.06.2015 08:57, Micha Silver wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 06/15/2015 09:23 AM, Bernhard Ströbl wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Joseph, <br><br>could you elaborate why "it would be unrealistic to say we <br>could ever be a 100% QGIS"? I am curious because I lost contact with ESRI products a couple years ago. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From our point of view, we need support for dwg. That side of vendor lock-in is, unfortunately, even stronger that the ties to ESRI. So we stay with Arc* not because of the GIS capabilites, but more or less only because of the ability to read Autocad plans and surveys.<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Qgis-user mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org">Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br>This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Qgis-user mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org">Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
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