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<p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Dear Saber,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">thank you very much for your answer. I understand that there are limitations in resources for the development. But if I have to deal with limitations, I should work on very important features first and leave less important things for later. Eg, if a BMW or Mercedes build a car that loses it wheels while you are driving, they should fix this first before thinking about new colors for the outer paint. When QGIS corrupts shape datasets without warning and this is known for months,I wonder why anybody works on new features like colored cells in tables. I'm sure that shapefile editing is so fundamental to a GI system that we don't have to discuss this in-depth.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">I have very very bad experience with bugs and support of proprietary software, in detail it's Bentley Map (former Microstation Geographics). I payd thousands only to find out that the 'professional' support can't help users or resolve bugs in their own software. So I know that this is not a QGIS problem only.</span></span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">In principle, I agree to support QGIS development as a sponsor. But i think that it makes sense only if the very fundamental things like reliabilty in editing the world's most used geographic data format have the highest priority in the project. Yet, I cannot see if this is the case.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p>Betreff: RE: [Qgis-user] QGIS big fail in deleting Shapes!!</p>
<p>Datum: 2016-01-19T22:15:04+0100</p>
<p>Von: "Saber Razmjooei" <saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk></p>
<p>An: "'Uwe Fischer'" <gisfisch@t-online.de>, "'qgis-user ML'" <qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Dear Uwe,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">There are some work-arounds and solutions provided within the ticket.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Also, work is underway to resolve the issue in the next LTR release. Last time I checked (5 minutes ago) it is still present in master.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">I totally agree with you that there should be a warning to users to make them aware of this limitation.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">In general, QGIS and other GIS/non-GIS proprietary software come with bugs. The reason developers haven’t fixed this bug and other bugs is due to lack of resources (time, money). </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">The project steering committee is committed to resolving the bugs and they have already allocated a big proportion of their income for bug fixing. You can see last year’s financial report hear:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"><a href="http://qgis.org/en/_downloads/PublicQGISfinancialreport2014.pdf">http://qgis.org/en/_downloads/PublicQGISfinancialreport2014.pdf</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">If you think, there should be more work done to increase the quality of QGIS, you can get involved or contribute to the project:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"><a href="http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.html">http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.html</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Saber</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;">From:</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"> Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Uwe Fischer<br /><strong>Sent:</strong> 19 January 2016 19:10<br /><strong>To:</strong> 'qgis-user ML'<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> [Qgis-user] QGIS big fail in deleting Shapes!!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Hello all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">today I was working on a shape dataset and I had to delete some features. Later I opened the shapefile in ArcMap by chance and I found that the features were not deleted. They still did exist. I repeated the process – and got the same result. Then, searching the internet, I found this incredible post: <a href="https://hub.qgis.org/issues/11007">https://hub.qgis.org/issues/11007</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">It is a well known problem (for 1,5 years!!) that <em><u>QGIS is not able to delete shapes in a reliable way</u></em>!! I was horrified to read this because it is the same as if a Word processor would not be able to delete a letter from a text. I cannot understand why the QGIS developers haven’t fix that yet. If QGIS really wants to compete with ArcMap, they should fix it as soon as possible. At least, the according menu entries or buttons should be inactivated if they don’t bring out reliable results.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">My questions are:</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Symbol;">·</span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">is this information still up to date? I can‘t read all of the 80 answers to the post now to get in-depth information ...</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Symbol;">·</span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">does anybody have information about how they are planning to handle this problem at the development team?</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Symbol;">·</span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">is there a workaround for this? Do the GRASS vector tools bring out reliable results?</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Symbol;">·</span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">are there more of those software errors in QGIS that might lead to huge problems in working on vector data and sharing them with others? If so, is there a „black list“ of things one is never allowed to use in QGIS if you don’t want to destroy your datasets?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; mso-fareast-language: DE;">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; font-variant: small-caps; mso-fareast-language: DE;">Uwe Fischer</span></p>
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