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    Hi all,<br>
    <br>
    Here is some more eplanation of the issue:<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/58101/how-to-avoid-creating-corrupt-shapefiles-during-editing/79677#79677">http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/58101/how-to-avoid-creating-corrupt-shapefiles-during-editing/79677#79677</a><br>
    <br>
    I spent quite some time to fix this issue as much as possible from
    QGIS side (Hint: "they" are not just lazy and ignore problems ;-) )<br>
    It seems that there is also a second (closely related) problem left
    to be solved and it looks that it can be solved by shipping a newer
    GDAL version.<br>
    Apparently the issue has not been completely solved yet and
    apparently it is considered to be from "critical" over "big fail" to
    "fatal" from the audience.<br>
    It would be awesome if you could ask the maintainer of your
    operation system's builds for a quote to ship QGIS with GDAL 2.0 on
    your operation system. We will gladly provide you with email
    addresses.<br>
    <br>
    Best regards,<br>
    Matthias<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/19/2016 10:54 PM, Mats Elfström
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAO1MNmV-fBR5kCzs_3CjwTQq-ytqG+cxE__mPcx-SSaV7mCDvg@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi!
        <div>While all that Nicolas and Uwe says is generally true and
          reasonable, it is also true that bugs and errors can be more
          or less dangerous.</div>
        <div>With limited resources, it is even more important that bugs
          are handled according to a simple risk analysis.</div>
        <div>In this case, it would go something like this:</div>
        <div>What is the probability that users will edit shape files
          (high, moderate, low): High</div>
        <div>What is the probability that QGIS will damage shape files:
          Moderate (as I understand)</div>
        <div>What is the severity of the potential damage (fatal,
          reparable, negligible): Fatal</div>
        <div>And High * Moderate * Fatal equals a probable risk for
          fatal damage, which ought to prompt for a rapid fix of ths
          bug, regardless of where it resides in the QGIS ecosystem.</div>
        <div>But oddly enough, I have browsed through many of the posts
          on the shape file issue, but have yet to find a technical
          description of the exact cause and origin of this bug.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Regards, Mats.E</div>
        <div><br>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-19 22:14 GMT+01:00 Saber
          Razmjooei <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk"
              target="_blank">saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk</a>></span>:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Dear
                    Uwe,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">There
                    are some work-arounds and solutions provided within
                    the ticket.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Also,
                    work is underway to resolve the issue in the next
                    LTR release. Last time I checked (5 minutes ago) it
                    is still present in master.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I
                    totally agree with you that there should be a
                    warning to users to make them aware of this
                    limitation.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">In
                    general, QGIS and other GIS/non-GIS proprietary
                    software come with bugs. The reason developers
                    haven’t fixed this bug and other bugs is due to lack
                    of resources (time, money). </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">The
                    project steering committee is committed to resolving
                    the bugs and they have already allocated a big
                    proportion of their income for bug fixing. You can
                    see last year’s financial report hear:</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://qgis.org/en/_downloads/PublicQGISfinancialreport2014.pdf"
                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://qgis.org/en/_downloads/PublicQGISfinancialreport2014.pdf">http://qgis.org/en/_downloads/PublicQGISfinancialreport2014.pdf</a></a></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">If you
                    think, there should be more work done to increase
                    the quality of QGIS, you can get involved or
                    contribute to the project:</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.html"
                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.html">http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.html</a></a></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Regards,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Saber</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                        lang="EN-US"> Qgis-user [mailto:<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"
                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Uwe Fischer<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> 19 January 2016 19:10<br>
                        <b>To:</b> 'qgis-user ML'<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [Qgis-user] QGIS big fail in
                        deleting Shapes!!</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">Hello all,</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">today I was working on a shape dataset
                        and I had to delete some features. Later I
                        opened the shapefile in ArcMap by chance and I
                        found that the features were not deleted. They
                        still did exist. I repeated the process – and
                        got the same result. Then, searching the
                        internet, I found this incredible post: <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://hub.qgis.org/issues/11007"
                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://hub.qgis.org/issues/11007">https://hub.qgis.org/issues/11007</a></a></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">It is a well known problem (for 1,5
                        years!!) that <i><u>QGIS is not able to delete
                            shapes in a reliable way</u></i>!! I was
                        horrified to read this because it is the same as
                        if a Word processor would not be able to delete
                        a letter from a text. I cannot understand why
                        the QGIS developers haven’t fix that yet. If
                        QGIS really wants to compete with ArcMap, they
                        should fix it as soon as possible. At least, the
                        according menu entries or buttons should be
                        inactivated if they don’t bring out reliable
                        results.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">My questions are:</span></p>
                    <p><span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="DE">·</span><span
                        style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman","serif"" lang="DE">        
                      </span><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">is this information still up to date?
                        I can‘t read all of the 80 answers to the post
                        now to get in-depth information ...</span></p>
                    <p><span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="DE">·</span><span
                        style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman","serif"" lang="DE">        
                      </span><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">does anybody have information about
                        how they are planning to handle this problem at
                        the development team?</span></p>
                    <p><span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="DE">·</span><span
                        style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman","serif"" lang="DE">        
                      </span><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">is there a workaround for this? Do the
                        GRASS vector tools bring out reliable results?</span></p>
                    <p><span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="DE">·</span><span
                        style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman","serif"" lang="DE">        
                      </span><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">are there more of those software
                        errors in QGIS that might lead to huge problems
                        in working on vector data and sharing them with
                        others? If so, is there a „black list“ of things
                        one is never allowed to use in QGIS if you don’t
                        want to destroy your datasets?</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""
                        lang="DE">Regards,</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-variant:small-caps"
                        lang="DE">Uwe Fischer</span></p>
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