<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Thanks for that Even</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 January 2016 at 09:23, Even Rouault <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le mercredi 20 janvier 2016 09:04:52, Neumann, Andreas a écrit :<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Regarding GDAL update to version 2.0: if your platform is Windows, I<br>
> already asked Jürgen if he can update to version 2.0 - as there are<br>
> other issues/new functionality that would be enabled by moving to GDAL<br>
> 2.0 (like better Geopackage support, curve support (for Interlis and<br>
> later also Geopackage) and probably some other improvements). So there<br>
> is a good chance that QGIS 2.14 on Windows will ship with GDAL 2.0.<br>
<br>
FYI, GDAL 2.0.2 RC1 should be out for the end of the week.<br>
<br>
><br>
> @Uwe: while I totally agree that this is a severe error that should be<br>
> fixed, apparently it isn't that easy. And I can only recommend that you<br>
> should not build your GIS projects around Shapefiles. There are other<br>
> options around, like Postgis, SpatiaLite or Geopackage that also allows<br>
> to share data with ArcGIS. And you could also store and edit your data<br>
> in SpatiaLite, Postgis or Geopackage and then only export to Shapefiles<br>
> if you need to deliver your data to your client. Shapefiles are from the<br>
> past century and should be avoided - for many reasons.<br>
><br>
> I also remember that Marco Hugentobler (Sourcepole) was contracted to<br>
> fix these Shapefile issues for the province of Vorarlberg - though I may<br>
> be wrong. So there is already someone investing to fix this bug. Marco -<br>
> correct me if I am wrong.<br>
><br>
> Hopefully, there can be a fix about this Shapefile issue in QGIS 2.14<br>
> ...<br>
><br>
> Andreas<br>
><br>
> On 2016-01-20 07:34, Matthias Kuhn wrote:<br>
> > Hi all,<br>
> ><br>
> > Here is some more eplanation of the issue:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/58101/how-to-avoid-creating-corrup" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/58101/how-to-avoid-creating-corrup</a><br>
> > t-shapefiles-during-editing/79677#79677<br>
> ><br>
> > I spent quite some time to fix this issue as much as possible from QGIS<br>
> > side (Hint: "they" are not just lazy and ignore problems ;-) ) It seems<br>
> > that there is also a second (closely related) problem left to be solved<br>
> > and it looks that it can be solved by shipping a newer GDAL version.<br>
> > Apparently the issue has not been completely solved yet and apparently<br>
> > it is considered to be from "critical" over "big fail" to "fatal" from<br>
> > the audience. It would be awesome if you could ask the maintainer of<br>
> > your operation system's builds for a quote to ship QGIS with GDAL 2.0 on<br>
> > your operation system. We will gladly provide you with email addresses.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best regards,<br>
> > Matthias<br>
> ><br>
> > On 01/19/2016 10:54 PM, Mats Elfström wrote:<br>
> > Hi!<br>
> > While all that Nicolas and Uwe says is generally true and reasonable, it<br>
> > is also true that bugs and errors can be more or less dangerous. With<br>
> > limited resources, it is even more important that bugs are handled<br>
> > according to a simple risk analysis. In this case, it would go something<br>
> > like this:<br>
> > What is the probability that users will edit shape files (high, moderate,<br>
> > low): High What is the probability that QGIS will damage shape files:<br>
> > Moderate (as I understand) What is the severity of the potential damage<br>
> > (fatal, reparable, negligible): Fatal And High * Moderate * Fatal equals<br>
> > a probable risk for fatal damage, which ought to prompt for a rapid fix<br>
> > of ths bug, regardless of where it resides in the QGIS ecosystem. But<br>
> > oddly enough, I have browsed through many of the posts on the shape file<br>
> > issue, but have yet to find a technical description of the exact cause<br>
> > and origin of this bug.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards, Mats.E<br>
> ><br>
> > 2016-01-19 22:14 GMT+01:00 Saber Razmjooei<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk">saber.razmjooei@lutraconsulting.co.uk</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Uwe,<br>
> ><br>
> > There are some work-arounds and solutions provided within the ticket.<br>
> ><br>
> > Also, work is underway to resolve the issue in the next LTR release. Last<br>
> > time I checked (5 minutes ago) it is still present in master.<br>
> ><br>
> > I totally agree with you that there should be a warning to users to make<br>
> > them aware of this limitation.<br>
> ><br>
> > In general, QGIS and other GIS/non-GIS proprietary software come with<br>
> > bugs. The reason developers haven't fixed this bug and other bugs is due<br>
> > to lack of resources (time, money).<br>
> ><br>
> > The project steering committee is committed to resolving the bugs and<br>
> > they have already allocated a big proportion of their income for bug<br>
> > fixing. You can see last year's financial report hear:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://qgis.org/en/_downloads/PublicQGISfinancialreport2014.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://qgis.org/en/_downloads/PublicQGISfinancialreport2014.pdf</a><br>
> ><br>
> > If you think, there should be more work done to increase the quality of<br>
> > QGIS, you can get involved or contribute to the project:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.ht" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sponsorship/sponsorship.ht</a><br>
> > ml<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Saber<br>
> ><br>
> > FROM: Qgis-user [mailto:<a href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] ON BEHALF OF<br>
> > Uwe Fischer SENT: 19 January 2016 19:10<br>
> > TO: 'qgis-user ML'<br>
> > SUBJECT: [Qgis-user] QGIS big fail in deleting Shapes!!<br>
> ><br>
> > Hello all,<br>
> ><br>
> > today I was working on a shape dataset and I had to delete some features.<br>
> > Later I opened the shapefile in ArcMap by chance and I found that the<br>
> > features were not deleted. They still did exist. I repeated the process<br>
> > - and got the same result. Then, searching the internet, I found this<br>
> > incredible post: <a href="https://hub.qgis.org/issues/11007" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hub.qgis.org/issues/11007</a><br>
> ><br>
> > It is a well known problem (for 1,5 years!!) that _QGIS is not able to<br>
> > delete shapes in a reliable way_!! I was horrified to read this because<br>
> > it is the same as if a Word processor would not be able to delete a<br>
> > letter from a text. I cannot understand why the QGIS developers haven't<br>
> > fix that yet. If QGIS really wants to compete with ArcMap, they should<br>
> > fix it as soon as possible. At least, the according menu entries or<br>
> > buttons should be inactivated if they don't bring out reliable results.<br>
> ><br>
> > My questions are:<br>
> ><br>
> > · is this information still up to date? I can't read all of the<br>
> > 80 answers to the post now to get in-depth information ...<br>
> ><br>
> > · does anybody have information about how they are planning to<br>
> > handle this problem at the development team?<br>
> ><br>
> > · is there a workaround for this? Do the GRASS vector tools bring<br>
> > out reliable results?<br>
> ><br>
> > · are there more of those software errors in QGIS that might lead<br>
> > to huge problems in working on vector data and sharing them with others?<br>
> > If so, is there a „black list" of things one is never allowed to use in<br>
> > QGIS if you don't want to destroy your datasets?<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Uwe Fischer<br>
> ><br>
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