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<body bgcolor="white" lang="NO-BOK" link="blue" vlink="purple">Am 13.09.2016, 16:51 Uhr, schrieb Blumentrath, Stefan <Stefan.Blumentrath@nina.no>:<br><br><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0.80ex; border-left: #0000FF 2px solid; padding-left: 1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And if I may add:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Even if the users are aware of the fact that ubuntugis-unstable contains the current releases, it can be hard to impossible
to convince a GIS-ignorant system administrator that it is OK to install “unstable” packages.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">But this issue is not a QGIS issue I guess...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div>Actually, this problem could be easily solved, if there was only a single line of explanation added next to each of the repositories in the install instructions, so the uneducated or doubtful can be told and convinced which package ships which flavour.</div><div>And yes, I was told to change this myself and given privileges to do so a while ago, but I couldn't find the energy to fiddle myself into the system. And I am still confused myself, cause behaviour seems to change from release to release a bit.</div><div><br></div><div>At the moment, I can hardly write cause my right hand is in plaster and writing and pushing a mouse is a nightmare. So could not some less handicapped and more literate guy add some explanations to the website?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Bernd</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0.80ex; border-left: #0000FF 2px solid; padding-left: 1ex"><div class="WordSection1">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randal Hale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13. september 2016 16:45<br>
<b>To:</b> qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Ubuntu updating instructions</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 09/13/2016 10:23 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:</p>
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<pre>It's a little bit confusing. There are like three repositories:</pre>
<pre>stable, unstable, and testing. Testing you don't want (unless you</pre>
<pre>want to test packages). Typically stable is a bit older. Unstable is</pre>
<pre>current. Which doesn't really make sense - but that's the way it is.</pre>
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<pre>Not like it matters much in this case.</pre>
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<pre>We have packages in qgis.org/debian/ against the plain versions of the</pre>
<pre>distributions (debian and **ubuntu**) and in qgis/ubuntugis/ packages against</pre>
<pre>newer dependencies from - and only from - ubuntugis-unstable.</pre>
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<pre>Looks like it's hard for people to accept that there are also ubuntu packages</pre>
<pre>in a directory called debian and that probably makes them jump on the other</pre>
<pre>because it has ubuntu in it's name.</pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was thinking about it last night (and I was up way to late) and it is a bit confusing for the casual user. They've installed Ubuntu (or mint/debian/xubuntu/etc) and they may not understand ubuntu is based off debian. So like you said
- they see debian but want to use Ubuntu. They go to UbuntuGIS and they see the repositories for UbuntuGIS and the choice is unstable (and no one likes unstable software) and stable (which doesn't contain the newest software). So you end up going "Use Unstable
because it's stable and current". <br>
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<pre>Under my /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory I made a qgis.list file</pre>
<pre>and put the following in there:</pre>
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<pre>deb <a href="http://qgis.org/debian">http://qgis.org/debian</a> xenial main</pre>
<pre>deb <a href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu">http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu</a> xenial main</pre>
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<pre>Why? That are the packages not based on ubuntugis with the dependencies from</pre>
<pre>ubuntugis.</pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do I have this wrong? I thought I had the repositories for the install correct based off the directions on qgis.org. Which I could completely have it wrong. With the above repos I'm getting QGIS 2.16.x and GDAL 2.1.x.
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<pre>Randal Hale</pre>
<pre>North River Geographic Systems, Inc</pre>
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