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    <p>That may be the case for the application. However, depending on
      the installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new
      installation is carried out and cause older software versions to
      stop working.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote:<br>
    </div>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds)
            side by side on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user
            settings and plugins in different locations so there are no
            conflicts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> Qgis-user
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick Dunford<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 08 June 2018 05:02<br>
                <b>To:</b> qgis-user ML<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple
          versions on your computer side by side. I personally haven't
          used the Windows version for several years so I can't be sure
          if you will have any issues running 3.0 alongside your current
          version. I run many of the editions I have in virtual
          machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you
          have access to another computer that can run Linux, then you
          can try it out in a Linux virtual machine or physical computer
          environment without disturbing your current installation.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p>hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no
            plugins option.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>The program will run with no project loaded and it will run
            older project files but has problems with newer ones for the
            same project.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>I can load an older project file and then add newer layers
            to it and reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but
            will amount to a recovery. It is better than starting from
            scratch for sure. But will the same problem reoccur?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always
            leery of upgrades of anything as they often bring problems
            with them. In this list I notice many references to
            installation issues and things not running. 2.10 is a devil
            I know.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Cheers . . . . .   Spring<br>
            Samsung Tab 4<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick
              Dunford" <<a href="mailto:enzedrailmaps@gmail.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">enzedrailmaps@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p>Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove
                all installed plugins or test removing one at a time.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty
                config.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason
                you can't migrate to 3.0?<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield
                  Harrison wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p>hello Phil,<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and
                  found 13 instances referring to the dxf file. Hard to
                  say if anything was wrong there, nothing obvious. At
                  least to me. Some other research I did indicates that
                  maybe there is an authentication problem, not sure
                  just what that boils down to.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed
                  it and bypassed it on the startup routine which the
                  program accepted but it still seized up with a
                  spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as
                  modifying the properties of a layer , Etc. But the
                  screen is blank and nothing can be saved.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>For some time I have noticed that loading a project
                  file bogs down for a while and then would resume to
                  completion. Now it bogs down and blows up. The key
                  message seems to be unknown exception.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>Some older project files do load successfully
                  however...<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>Cheers . . . . .   Spring<br>
                  Samsung Tab 4<o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil
                    Wyatt" <<a href="mailto:phil@wyatt-family.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">phil@wyatt-family.com</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-AU">Can you open a copy of the
                          previous project file in something like
                          notepad and see if anything obvious can be
                          fixed and or removed in relation to the DXF
                          layer?</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-AU"> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                              lang="EN-US"> Qgis-user [mailto:<a
                                href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Springfield Harrison<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> <a
                                href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a>
                              List<br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> [Qgis-user] Unable to load
                              project</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                          lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-AU">Hello All,<br>
                            <br>
                            Bad News.  I am unable to load a project
                            that normally works with no problems:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">Project starts to load,
                              loads many layers . . .<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">halts loading "point
                              Entity", a DXF file<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">the DXF file was renamed
                              to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">this was bypassed but
                              project loading still fails to complete,
                              cursor spinner on constantly<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">exiting with Save
                              triggers "Unknown Exception"<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">the project file is
                              trashed to 0kb<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">Exiting without Save is
                              OK but no project can be loaded<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">Restoring previous
                              project file versions yields the same
                              results<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                            level1 lfo1">
                            <span lang="EN-AU">Loading some other
                              projects works but may have cursor spinner<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                        </ol>
                        <p><span lang="EN-AU">Any ideas what is going on
                            here?  I have rebooted the computer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span lang="EN-AU">Thanks very much . . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              lang="EN-AU">Cheers . . . . . Springfield
                              Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                          lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                  <br>
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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