<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-06-11 8:30 GMT+02:00 Springfield Harrison <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stellargps@gmail.com" target="_blank">stellargps@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix">Hello All,<br>
<br>
Thanks again for your insights, sorry for the delayed response.
Very helpful to get the different perspectives.<br>
<ol>
<li>Yes, I understand the need for constant development and
improvements. And hence the need for some users to run
multiple installations for comparative purposes. I'm not in
that league so only need something that works reliably.</li>
<li>Again, I understand the benefits of using a Linix
installation but at this stage I'm not keen on managing more
than one operating system. In this realm, I would be
considered an advanced amateur or lower-level expert in
computer management and GIS so taking on major challenges is
not something I would relish upon waking up each morning.</li>
<li>Thanks for some clarity on to installation processes. It
would seem that for the most utility, osgeo4w would be the
preferred choice. It turns out that I had installed 2.8.1 as
a standalone and am now running it successfully. It would
seem unlikely that I should fall back to 2.18?</li>
<li>Again, mixed signals here regarding versions, some advise
3.0, others 2.18, while I am succesfully using 2.8.1. It
would seem that 3.0 might be a good idea, would there be any
obvious reason not to migrate?</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div>3.0 is end of life in 10 days, meaning that while you can still use it (like you do with 2.10), it won't get bug fixes anymore (and few months later, we would fall in the same issue). 3.2 will be released at that moment for 4 months, with new features but also probably new bugs. On the other hand 2.18 is there up to january 2019, had got a lot of fixes since almost two years and much much stable.</div><div>And I still think that migrating from a so old 2.x release to 3.x might not be a good idea but I don't have technical skills to confirm or argument this feeling.</div><div>If your need is to "simply" use QGIS and you don't want to regularly update, I'd say "Just go with LTRs". This is what they are designed for. You'll miss some features but will get them (stabler) once the new LTR is released.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Harrissou<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"><ol>
<li>I see that Nicholas makes a good case for osgeo4w.</li>
<li>Good advice about backing up data, which I generally do but
not always as frequently as I should. I do appreciate
learning experiences but would prefer to choose those which
are the more satisfying. With my advancing years and very
full days, I try to pick experiences which advance my cause
rather than just overcome bugs. However, there is always
value in learning.</li>
<li>Yes, I do appreciate the community support and find many
problems are also dealt with in the world of Google.<br>
</li>
</ol>
Thanks again, all thoughts are much appreciated…<span class=""><br>
<br>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-signature">Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></span><div><div class="h5">
On 09-Jun-2018 05:31, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:<br>
</div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi,</div>
<div>Answers below</div>
<div><br>
Le 9 juin 2018 à 02:06, Springfield Harrison <<a href="mailto:stellargps@gmail.com" target="_blank">stellargps@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix">Hello Responders,<br>
<br>
Thanks very much for your suggestions and comments. Very
helpful.<br>
<br>
I must say though that the last few comments have again
underscored my nervousness about changing anything that
isn't completely broken.<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Ok but are having problems so things are broken.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
Firstly, why are there two installation processes and what
is the purpose of each? This implies making a choice after
learning about the benefits and disadvantages of each. What
are the criteria for choosing one over the other? How long
is the process of understanding the options?<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
There is the easy install and the OSGEO instal. The latest will
give you more choices, like installing many versions or additional
packages. You can also simply ask it to install all desktop
package without having to ask yourself to many questions. The
only disadvantage is that it does not really provide a good
mechanism for uninstalling Qgis. You sometimes need to do it
manually when things get complicated. That is my preferred
install method. I think the easier Qgis install has a complete
remove option usually found in windows.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
Secondly, there seems to be no great consensus over the
possibility (or not) of conflicts between simultaneous
installations. Again, this makes me nervous.<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>According to the Anita Grazer link I sent you, 2 and 3 store
the settling and plugins in different places. Anita is my guru.
If she said it was safe... it is safe! But I also tried it and
what she said is correct. 2 and 3 live together and do not
interact but yes, the problem is real in many cases, just not
this time.</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
Thirdly, why are some operators running two or three
simultaneous installations? Does this mean that the latest
version is not adequate for some tasks?<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some installs are for stable long term support (LTS). Some
are under development (DEV). Qgis3,0 is what they call early
adopters (so it is more likely to have bug but they have all the
latest bling). The nightly builds are version containing the
most resent fixes. Generally speaking, I go with the LTS at
work and other versions at home.</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
All these things give me pause and discourage me from wading
in to something that may have a lengthy learning curve and
an unpredictable outcome. In this case, the devil you know
definitely seems to be a worthy rule of thumb. At least,
until it fails utterly.<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<div>Fix problems when you have time. Plan for extra time.
Backup you data regularly so if shit hits the fan... you have a
copy of all your files. This is just common good sense computer
user practice. Consider the problems you create and solve as a
learning experience and not an obstacle. Things get much less
stressful if you know that you can only loose time and not your
important data. </div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
In that regard, I discovered that at some point I had
installed 2.8.1 and, remarkably, it would load my ostensibly
corrupt configuration file. I appear to be back in
business.<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Therefore your Qgis 2.10 is probably at fault and a update will
more likely give you a more stable environment with better and
newer features. Remember that opening a Qgis project from a higher
version to a Lower version can lead to problems so make sure you
add the Qgis version in the name of the file.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
However, this version still bogs down upon loading the
various layers but does not fail after the delay. There are
about 100 layers, mostly vector.<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Things have probably improved since... that is why and
upgrade is justified. </div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my
current thinking on the upgrading process.<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Well we see that this is not easy for you. I sometimes feel the
same sitting in front of a Mac where my reflexes are not as sharp
as with windows. Again, do it if when you have the time, consider
this as a learning experience and not an obstacle. Backup your
data when doing something you are not sure of and use community
support.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
Thank you all again for your assistance…<br>
<br>
<div class="m_120819559299785084moz-signature">Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
On 08-Jun-2018 06:25, DelazJ wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced
install) with three concurrent releases minimum (ltr,
current release, dev, and sometimes ltr-dev) and I can't
recall on any issue I got due to this situation.</div>
<div>And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful
of, it's just about click click click process and all
got installed in the c:\osgeo4w64 folder.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just wanted to share my experience.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Harrissou<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip
Barlow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philipb@pembrokeshirecoast.org.uk" target="_blank">philipb@pembrokeshirecoast.<wbr>org.uk</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB">
<div class="m_120819559299785084m_5968697055809130997WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">AFAIK
if you install QGIS with the standalone
installer that just puts the application and
everything it needs into a folder in program
files. You may encounter issues if you
installed multiple versions with the osgeo4w
installer if you aren’t careful. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Qgis-user [mailto:<a href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user-bounces@list<wbr>s.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick Dunford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 June 2018 11:01</span></p>
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> qgis-user ML<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to
load project</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="m_120819559299785084h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p>That may be the case for the application.
However, depending on the installation,
shared libraries may be overwritten when a
new installation is carried out and cause
older software versions to stop working.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 08/06/18 20:11,
Philip Barlow wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and
3.1 (nightly builds) side by side on
Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user
settings and plugins in different
locations so there are no conflicts.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Phil</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Qgis-user [<a href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:qgis-user-bounces@list<wbr>s.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick Dunford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 June 2018 05:02<br>
<b>To:</b> qgis-user ML<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user]
Unable to load project</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p>The Windows version of Qgis allows you to
run multiple versions on your computer
side by side. I personally haven't used
the Windows version for several years so I
can't be sure if you will have any issues
running 3.0 alongside your current
version. I run many of the editions I have
in virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB
or more of memory, or if you have access
to another computer that can run Linux,
then you can try it out in a Linux virtual
machine or physical computer environment
without disturbing your current
installation.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 08/06/18 07:38,
Springfield Harrison wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I
will try the no plugins option.</p>
<p>The program will run with no project
loaded and it will run older project
files but has problems with newer ones
for the same project.</p>
<p>I can load an older project file and
then add newer layers to it and
reconfigure them, Etc. This is very
tedious but will amount to a recovery.
It is better than starting from scratch
for sure. But will the same problem
reoccur?</p>
<p>I have contemplated migrating to
version 3 but I'm always leery of
upgrades of anything as they often bring
problems with them. In this list I
notice many references to installation
issues and things not running. 2.10 is a
devil I know.</p>
<p>can I expect any difficulties
installing 3.0 +?</p>
<p>Cheers . . . . . Spring<br>
Samsung Tab 4</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 7, 2018 1:30
AM, "Patrick Dunford" <<a href="mailto:enzedrailmaps@gmail.com" target="_blank">enzedrailmaps@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<div>
<p>Thre are a number of
troubleshooting steps to try out</p>
<p>1. Start up qgis using the
-noplugins switch or remove all
installed plugins or test removing
one at a time.</p>
<p>2. Backup the config file and start
with a new empty config.</p>
<p>Qgis 2.10 is well out of support,
is there any reason you can't
migrate to 3.0?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 07/06/18
18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>hello Phil,</p>
<p>I did open the project file in
Word, 2033 pages, and found 13
instances referring to the dxf
file. Hard to say if anything was
wrong there, nothing obvious. At
least to me. Some other research I
did indicates that maybe there is
an authentication problem, not
sure just what that boils down to.</p>
<p>I don't think the dxf file is the
problem. I renamed it and bypassed
it on the startup routine which
the program accepted but it still
seized up with a spinning cursor.
Some things still function, such
as modifying the properties of a
layer , Etc. But the screen is
blank and nothing can be saved.</p>
<p>For some time I have noticed that
loading a project file bogs down
for a while and then would resume
to completion. Now it bogs down
and blows up. The key message
seems to be unknown exception.</p>
<p>Some older project files do load
successfully however...</p>
<p>Cheers . . . . . Spring<br>
Samsung Tab 4</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 6,
2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt" <<a href="mailto:phil@wyatt-family.com" target="_blank">phil@wyatt-family.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-AU">Can you open
a copy of the previous
project file in something
like notepad and see if
anything obvious can be
fixed and or removed in
relation to the DXF layer?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">
Qgis-user [mailto:<a href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user-bounces@list<wbr>s.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Springfield
Harrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
7 June 2018 1:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a>
List<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Qgis-user] Unable to
load project</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Hello All,<br>
<br>
Bad News. I am unable
to load a project that
normally works with no
problems:</span></p>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">QGIS
2.10.1, Windows 7.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">Project
starts to load, loads
many layers . . .</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">halts
loading "point
Entity", a DXF file</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">the DXF
file was renamed to
trigger the Handle Bad
Layers service</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">this was
bypassed but project
loading still fails to
complete, cursor
spinner on constantly</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">exiting
with Save triggers
"Unknown Exception"</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">the
project file is
trashed to 0kb</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">Exiting
without Save is OK but
no project can be
loaded</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">Restoring
previous project file
versions yields the
same results</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-AU">Loading
some other projects
works but may have
cursor spinner</span></li>
</ol>
<p><span lang="EN-AU">Any
ideas what is going on
here? I have rebooted
the computer.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU">Thanks
very much . . . .</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Cheers .
. . . . Springfield
Harrison</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
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