<div dir="ltr">Happy to help! <br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:04 PM Sadowski Jarosław <<a href="mailto:jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl">jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Sebastian,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am very grateful to you for taking on my case in such depth.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Now everything is clear to me, thank you kindly for your answer.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I will spread this knowledge further on local QGIS community and Polish internet QGIS forums.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">with best regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">and greetings to the entire community of this amazing open-source project<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Jarosław Sadowski<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 3, 2022 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sadowski Jarosław <<a href="mailto:jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl" target="_blank">jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Wrong area count QGIS 3.20+?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:white">Ok to add to the fun I tried the calculations in ArcPro and interestingly if I run it using calculate field with this expression
</span><b><a href="mailto:!shape.geodesicArea@hectares" target="_blank">!shape.geodesicArea@hectares</a>!</b> I get the QGIS 3.22 value of 31271112 but if I run Geoprossessing Add Geometry Attributes I get the QGIS 3.16 value of 31271108.
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<p class="MsoNormal">So if you want them to match I guess you should use the python expression in ArcGIS Pro!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess we are back to the old adage of All Measuring is Guessing.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:43 AM Sebastian Gutwein <<a href="mailto:bas@rdgland.com" target="_blank">bas@rdgland.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes that was my read as well except previously it was the Grass method and now it is Geographic Lib method because that is theoretically more accurate and is the same method that is used in Postgis and other places. The switched happened
because someone noticed the difference between QGIS’s calculations and Postgis’s calculations. If I am reading the pull requests correctly even Grass has switched to the Geographic Lib method. I’m surprised that ArcGIS Pro uses the same method as the Grass
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 2:57 AM Sadowski Jarosław <<a href="mailto:jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl" target="_blank">jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">thank you very much for your precise answer and materials sent - I have read them carefully.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So, as far as I can understand, QGIS has moved in version 3.20 to a new way of counting areas (other libraries? GRASS algorithm instead of Geographic lib? I have
actually noticed a different nomenclature and definition of EPSG 2180 for some time in new versions…), that will be more accurate?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I must admit that, for me as a GIS operator, it is surprising and sounds like bad news - so far surfaces have always been the same in various GIS software, whether
or not it was open-source or commercial (ArcGIS Pro). So from this moment it will be that I will get different surfaces depending on the software it was calculated? :(<br>
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with kind regards<br>
JS</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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e: <a href="mailto:jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(16,43,77)">jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(16,43,77)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Sebastian Gutwein <<a href="mailto:bas@rdgland.com" target="_blank">bas@rdgland.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 1, 2022 7:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sadowski Jarosław <<a href="mailto:jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl" target="_blank">jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Wrong area count QGIS 3.20+?<u></u><u></u></p>
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pull request</a>. I tested your polygon, to the best of my limited ability, and the areas were indeed different in QGIS 3.16 and 3.22 as would be expected from that change . However it would be hoped that the area measurement would be more accurate in 3.22.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:49 AM Sadowski Jarosław <<a href="mailto:jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl" target="_blank">jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am asking for help with QGIS error/bug or verification of proper usage of basic QGIS functionality “$area”.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">From version 3.20 upwards, it counts areas differently than before (3.18 calculated area is different than 3.20). Up to version 3.18 everything was fine, equal
to calculations from ArcGIS Pro (geodesic mode).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Anyone have an idea where the differences come from?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">with wishes for more success in the new year</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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