<div dir="ltr"><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">Case 1) would be welcome.</span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I do a little manually that transformation.</span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I convert the values of latitude, longitude and ellipsoidal height to geocentric Cartesian coordinates.</span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">Then I find the transformation parameters between the local system and the geocentric one.</span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">The transformation pipeline is then made up of: a 3D affine transformation from the local to the geocentric system, the conversion from the geocentric to the geodetic or geographic system, and finally the projection to some cartographic system (usually a custom one, but can be projected to any).</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">The geoscience plugin, on the other hand, is based on the construction of a derived from a projected reference system.</span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">In other words, it calculates the affine transformation parameters in 2D between a local system and a projected one and uses them in the construction of a new derived system.</span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">The derived from projected CRS is only compatible with the WKT2:2019 version, and that limits it in some GDAL and QGIS functions.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I collaborated with the author in the construction of the WKT for derived from projected CRSes and the calculation of parameters is done with a script that I had written when I began to need to carry out this type of transformation.</span></span> It<span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"> only requires numpy and is very efficient at finding transformation parameters.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">The algorithm on which it is based is not mine.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">You can use the script if you consider it convenient, I published it with a MIT license at <a href="https://github.com/gabriel-de-luca/simil">https://github.com/gabriel-de-luca/simil</a>.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">Regards,</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">Gabriel De Luca<br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El jue, 26 ene 2023 a la(s) 14:08, Greg Troxel via QGIS-User (<a href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Great place to ask IMHO.<br>
<br>
These is a combination of a suggestion and a fish for an answer that<br>
tells me no work is needed. I don't know how widespread the audience is<br>
relative to your standards.<br>
<br>
1)<br>
<br>
Consider someone with a local coordinate system establish with a total<br>
station or similar classical methods. No assumptions on orientation of<br>
axes, except up is up. Let's assume there are perhaps hundreds of<br>
points. Perhaps this is just a data collector dump and perhaps it is<br>
gama output.<br>
<br>
Further assume the person has absolute positions (lat/lon/HAE) probably<br>
via GPS RTK, and perhaps standard deviations.<br>
<br>
I want to be able to enter the correspondence, and compute a<br>
transformation that can be not only used in qgis but stored in a file to<br>
be used with proj/gdal. And, I want to store the corresponding points<br>
so that I can re-open, change some, and add some, without starting over.<br>
<br>
There is a geoscience plugin that mostly does this but it seemed awkward<br>
for reasons I don't remember this minute.<br>
<br>
<br>
2)<br>
<br>
Similar, but assume someone has a survey plan with angles and distances,<br>
and somehow (in a new plugin or separate) converts them to a local<br>
system (because one can ~never assume the angles are true to any<br>
particular geodetic coordinate system). Given 1, this is about entering<br>
the angles/distances and turning it into a layer, I think.<br>
<br>
There is a cadastral plugin but it seems to be about taking a shape and<br>
producing documents, vs taking documents and producing a shape.<br>
<br>
<br>
3)<br>
<br>
With RTK, one can take 30s, 60s, whatever position traces on a mark.<br>
Then one can average those. Multiple such observations over multiple<br>
days can then be combined to form an estimate for the mark. There are<br>
interesting questions here about finding the mark by being close, vs<br>
labeling, and not labeling is a faster workflow. I'm doing this<br>
manually but it would be cool to be more automated.<br>
<br>
<br>
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