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<p>For data storage and manipulation databases are suitable. Files
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<p>Geopackages are wonderful to transfer data between systems or to
archive an entire project (snapshot of data, styles and the
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discussed 5 years ago and SMB file sharing is very common? Would
a linux based NAS be able to use another protocol? What are my
options for file based data sharing in QGIS? Abandoning
geopackages is not a realistic option for me, but I could get a
different kind of NAS unit, if that helps, what kind then? What
amazes me is how little I see this discussed. There was a
message in this thread this morning from Thomas Struller, but I
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/r-spatial/sf/issues/628" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">writing gpkg and sqlite on samba
shares fails · Issue #628 · r-spatial/sf · GitHub</span></a></p>
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as I know, the NAS unit uses SMB as the file
sharing protocol. I used another NAS from QNAP
before this one, also using SMB and with the
same problem. I thought pretty much all of the
Linux based NAS units were using SMB and if that
is the problem, it should be widespread, but I
don't see any signs of that. Is SMB a problem
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quick test in QGIS: A dataset of 178.000 line
features is rendered in about 1 second from a
read only geopackage. When I remove the read
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the geopackage on the local hard drive, the
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store my geopackages on a Synology
RackStation NAS unit, like all other
documents that are kept on a shared
drive in the office. For larger
datasets, the rendering is very slow,
unless I open the properties dialog
for the file in Windows and check the
read only box. After that, the
features are rendered blazingly fast.
Nothing else is changed to see the
dramatic difference in the rendering
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many of the larger datasets, such as
road networks and elevation contours
and the geopackage can be kept read
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