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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Hey Folks,</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">After reading Toru's e-mail (a while back),</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">"Re: [RouterGeocoder] Re: [Pagc-devel] Comments re. Requirementsoutlined on OSGeo"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">this solidified my thought that there might be some other key players out there. Perhaps we should start gathering a list of current, potential and future stakeholders… Then invite into the discussion</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Keeping with the theory that open source approaches work best for non-differentiating products o</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">ne area to find some key partners are web based services that already use geocoding.</FONT> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Maybe some web services that are employing their own model for geocoding might be valuable such as:</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">* </FONT><A HREF="http://www.postlbs.org/en/project"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">http://www.postlbs.org/en/project</FONT></U></A><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> (not accessible last time I tried it)</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">* </FONT><A HREF="http://geocoder.ca/"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">http://geocoder.ca/</FONT></U></A><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">* </FONT><A HREF="http://www.batchgeocode.com/"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">http://www.batchgeocode.com/</FONT></U></A><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Some of these use pre-existing web based API's like Google and yahoo.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> And some are one offs.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Would it be valuable to check out the interest level of this project with commercial stakeholders</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">* Google</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">* Yahoo</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">* Mapquest</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">etc etc...</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I am thinking especially with Google, there may be components or logic they would want to open source or parts that already exist in projects like PAGC that they would like to include.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">These stakeholders may help to hash out the requirements. After all with the PAGC having moved to modify its licence for commercial stakeholders it would only make sense to actually invite the people that could develop and use the product based on the lic we modified to. Unless that was all hot air...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">If these people are already on the list (silently) then feel free to intro yourselves.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Just some thoughts.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Cheers</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> -----Original Message-----</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> From: routergeocoder-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> [</FONT><A HREF="mailto:routergeocoder-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">mailto:routergeocoder-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</FONT></U></A><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">] On Behalf Of</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> (Orkney)Toru Mori</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 23:20</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> To: routergeocoder@lists.osgeo.org</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Cc: pagc-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Subject: Re: [RouterGeocoder] Re: [Pagc-devel] Comments re.</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Requirementsoutlined on OSGeo</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Dan,</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
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<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Thank you very much for referring Japanese postal address system.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> As project owner of Japanese geocoder (geocoder.ja is part of PostLBS</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> </FONT><A HREF="http://www.postlbs.org/"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">http://www.postlbs.org/</FONT></U></A><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> ), I want to make my comments on your post.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
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<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Yes, you are partially right. The reality gets much complicated. We</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> have 3 types of address systems and we use 3 types (at least) of</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Characters sets in writing postal address. We do not use street</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> network in geocoding at all.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> They are totally separated.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
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<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> There are proprietary/opensource geocoding software and web services</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> in Japan. They consist of two processes, text normalization and</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> matching with address point data (over 30 millions points). Since</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> inputted address text may use different characters set and/or way of</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> abbreviation, all the address data will be normalized first. This</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> process plays say over 60% of total process. Then matching process</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> starts. This can be even done by usual database software.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> My purpose in this post to everybody is not to describe how Japanese</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> address system is complicated, but want to tell everybody lives in</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> "non- Asian entity" that even a smart software cannot always handle</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> geocoding and routing at a time. We should not forget that almost 60%</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> of world population is in Asia.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
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<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Mori</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > Once you move to Asian countries, things get complicated. We know</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > that in Japan house numbers along a street are assigned</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > chronologically rather than spatially, as a result the standard</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > algorithms for locating an address along a blockface</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> breakdown. What</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > is in PAGC (starting with</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > v0.1.4) that could be the basis for a geocoder in Japan</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> (and perhaps</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > other Asian countries) is the parcel geocoder that is now part of</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > PAGC.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > However, whether this would work as a solution is largely</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > speculation on my part, and could well be wrong.</FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><BR>
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