<div dir="ltr"><div>Jeff,</div><div><br></div><div>I am sorry you feel this way about this correspondence. I did not mean to scare you away from the conversation, I appreciate your input greatly even if we may not agree on how everything should be done.</div><div><br></div><div>I still want the FOSS4G2017 list to be a community forum and I still think there is a need for a FOSS4G announce list.</div><div><br></div><div>I wish you would reconsider your move to remove yourself from the FOSS4G2017 list, as I think your voice, passion, and recommendations are important to the process. I am currently planning time this weekend to digest your emails and pull what I can from them to improve the event. (BTW - I hope you like the OSGeo logo placement. It will also feature prominently in the next iteration of the site as well because we want people to know that OSGeo community is the core of this event)</div><div><br></div><div>I think we have a lot to learn from you and the rest of the community. I will always hear people out and we want to "more openly" discuss the issues. At the end of the day though, I and the LOC will make the choices for this eventbased on our best judgement and adhering as closely as we can to the proposal outline we submitted in the bid. </div><div><br></div><div>The Boston LOC has been working on event for a while now, meeting for the last eight months. We have a game plan, a priority list, and a timeline. We will focus on various activities at different times over the course of the year. We are willing and committed to including the communities input on our activities, but we will need time to consider how best to incorporate other's ideas/requests.</div><div><br></div><div>Again, I want the community list, I want your voice on the community list, and please reconsider walking away from this discussion and dialog.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div><br></div><div>Guido</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:39 AM Jeff McKenna <<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Since now this involved the entire SAC community, some more reference to<br>
the background/next steps i proposed for sending out messages<br>
<a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2017/2016-September/000055.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2017/2016-September/000055.html</a><br>
however, i see the writing on the wall.<br>
<br>
will go back to grassroots.<br>
<br>
For the love and true spirit of FOSS4G,<br>
<br>
-jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-09-16 11:29 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br>
> Down 7 subscribers? I am an admin also, there is no issue. Because of<br>
> my messages trying to get the LOC to be more open, the engagement all of<br>
> a sudden and ideas flowing is wonderful - the last few days some amazing<br>
> ideas have been brought up by outsiders. Against my advice you created<br>
> a private google group for private loc discussions, fine, past LOC's<br>
> have done that, but now you also complain about the public 2017 list<br>
> after it starts to be used? It seems you are not used to open<br>
> discussions, at all. I get the impression that you want to close doors<br>
> totally. Your response is not even in the ticket, or to the 2017 list,<br>
> but to the whole sac community?<br>
><br>
> I really wonder why i care so much about foss4g so much in advance each<br>
> year, trying so hard to help, on my own time with no agenda.<br>
><br>
> Respectfully, have a nice weekend.<br>
><br>
><br>
> -jeff<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2016-09-16 11:09 AM, Guido Stein wrote:<br>
>> Jeff & SAC members,<br>
>><br>
>> I respectfully disagree with Jeff.<br>
>><br>
>> Since the beginning of the heightened traffic on the list in early sept,<br>
>> we have lost 7 subscribers and are now down to 94 participants on the<br>
>> list.We lost 7% of our list so far. Some of the people who have dropped<br>
>> off are local people we know and have been trying to recruit to<br>
>> participate in the event.<br>
>><br>
>> We, the LOC, have been pointing people to the FOSS4G2017 list to get<br>
>> information about our conference. Since this list is becoming more of a<br>
>> forum and less announcnment oriented we feel it's time to open another<br>
>> list where people can get information from the LOC (similar to how there<br>
>> is an osgeo twitter account and a FOSS4G twitter account). I am all for<br>
>> an active community discussion list, but not at the expense of loosing<br>
>> people who are interested in event information, but not the conversation<br>
>> or other OSGEO announcements.<br>
>><br>
>> I am happy to make sure our outbound messages go to as many channels as<br>
>> needed to that all OSGEO folks are aware of this, but we need our own<br>
>> channel with our, the LOC, message is broadcast.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you all for your time,<br>
>><br>
>> Guido Stein<br>
>> Co-Chair<br>
>> FOSS4G Boston 2017<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:34 AM OSGeo <<a href="mailto:trac_osgeo@osgeo.org" target="_blank">trac_osgeo@osgeo.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:trac_osgeo@osgeo.org" target="_blank">trac_osgeo@osgeo.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> #1793: Reqiest for FOSS4G-announce list<br>
>> ---------------------------+--------------------<br>
>> Reporter: gsteinmon | Owner: sac@…<br>
>> Type: defect | Status: new<br>
>> Priority: critical | Milestone:<br>
>> Component: Systems Admin | Resolution:<br>
>> Keywords: |<br>
>> ---------------------------+--------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Comment (by jmckenna):<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not sure the benefit of yet another announce list. A 'foss4g-<br>
>> announce' list is actually the OSGeo-discuss list. Have you<br>
>> considered<br>
>> sending all of your FOSS4G 2017 press releases directly to the<br>
>> OSGeo-<br>
>> Discuss list?<br>
>><br>
>> For example, a typical workflow is:<br>
>><br>
>> - use the public foss4g2017 mailing list for discussions<br>
>> - draft your press releases on the OSGeo wiki (see the many great<br>
>> examples of past press releases for FOSS4G 2009 at<br>
>> <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Press_Releases" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Press_Releases</a>)<br>
>> - once you have the text and wiki ready, then send your press<br>
>> release to<br>
>> 'news_item (at) osgeo (dot) org' (that step is described at<br>
>> <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/news/submit_news.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/content/news/submit_news.html</a>). That news<br>
>> item will<br>
>> be magically posted to osgeo-announce/discuss (an no need of a<br>
>> separate<br>
>> announce list)<br>
>><br>
>> Does that make sense?<br>
>><br>
>> I'll also describe this to the foss4g2017 discussion list. As i<br>
>> said, it<br>
>> would be great to have more open discussions with the 2017 marketing<br>
>> committee.<br>
>><br>
>> -jeff<br>
>> President Emeritus, OSGeo<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Ticket URL: <<a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1793#comment:1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1793#comment:1</a>><br>
>> OSGeo <<a href="http://www.osgeo.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/</a>><br>
>> OSGeo committee and general foundation issue tracker.<br>
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