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I should probably grab a new discussion thread (sorry).</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Here is an example from the <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee_Budget_2025">marketing committee</a>, outlining a goal and what part requires financing and what part we are dependent on community in-kind input. It also outlines a task requiring collaboration with the SAC committee.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">For SAC moderation of discourse presently is done by volunteers. It is part of the operating effort required to host the forums. Sometimes this can be met with funding, sometimes it can be met with police (example requiring project leads to volunteer as moderators).</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Because OSGeo infrastructure is not generally visible it is hard to include sponsors in these activities. It is worth stating that clearly in the budget - that it is a choice SAC is making. Still if there are specific initiatives (such as migrating to forums, or usability improvements) that could benefit from sponsorship; and you have a way to recognize sponsors over the course of the activity - make sure to ask for sponsorship.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Please share your ideas about recognizing in-kind contributions of companies with the board, if you review recent <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2024-12-01#OSGeo_finances">meeting minuets</a> ideas on how to better resource OSGeo are being collected.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>- -<br></div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Jan 3, 2025 at 5:04:09 PM, Regina Obe <<a href="mailto:lr@pcorp.us">lr@pcorp.us</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jody,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Not following what you mean by these two.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Item 1: Items that can be used by board to limit scope? How would we detail that exactly. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think at a certain point you end up spending more time itemizing things, which takes time away from actually doing things.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Like I think all the SysAdmin stuff we itemized needs to be done eventually, sure we can keep pushing things down the road, but things will eventually blow up.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sure we can not pay hosting fees to OSUOSL and sure they won’t kick us out, but I think that just makes us jerks.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Item 2: What are in-kind contributions from the SAC committee? Is that like time volunteered that could be used as sponsorship instead of money?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">e.g. if my company Paragon were to pay for my SAC time, would that constitute the equivalent of sponsorship and Paragon would be listed as a sponsor on <a href="http://osgeo.org">osgeo.org</a> site like other sponsors?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I actually like that idea and I think something we should do for others who do volunteer a lot of the their time to OSGeo and such time is under-appreciated, because we never put a price tag on those things.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I presume for the other “opportunities for participation”, you are thinking providing more detail as Json had mentioned of where he would serve best and how can we utilize his services?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That piece I honestly haven’t given much thought to. I’d rather leave that to other people to decide for themselves, as many have e.g. you volunteered to administer discourse, website administration, and <a href="http://repo.osgeo.org">repo.osgeo.org</a> and that has been helpful.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jsanz does a lot of the mailing list stuff.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From my point of view, I’m more concerned with having 3 people who are familiar enough with our infra that they can backup each other. Building that level of trust takes time so I wouldn’t leave that up to casual volunteering.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That is ultimately not a nice to have, but a must have if we are to stay afloat.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regina</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 3, 2025 4:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Sandro Santilli <<a href="mailto:strk@kbt.io">strk@kbt.io</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Regina Obe <<a href="mailto:lr@pcorp.us">lr@pcorp.us</a>>; System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo <<a href="mailto:sac@lists.osgeo.org">sac@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: PSC Vote: Budget revision 2025</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">+0 for me</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The budget succeeds in communicating expectations - but does not provide information to guide planning.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">As an example line items that can be used by board to limit scope; to understand what it is possible to give up to reduce costs. Or line items that could be added to improve usability.</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The wiki page could do a better job of capturing in-kind contributions of time from the SAC committee; or opportunities for participation (if our service providers wish to volunteer in-kind or financial support)</li></ul><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">- -</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jody Garnett</p></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 3, 2025 at 7:01:51<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM, Sandro Santilli <<a href="mailto:strk@kbt.io">strk@kbt.io</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">+1 from me, thanks Regina. Happy 2025 everyone!<br><br>Il 19 dicembre 2024 21:18:49 CET, Regina Obe <<a href="mailto:lr@pcorp.us">lr@pcorp.us</a>> ha scritto:<br><br></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I've added one more line item to the SysAdmin budget -- contract to upgrade</p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">MailMan and any unforeseen issues.</p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I figure we should ask for it now so we don't have to request for it when</p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">it's too late. We will probably be turned down anyway.</p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I ask everyone to vote again and I will send to board for approval after.</p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Budget#2025">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Budget#2025</a></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">+1 from me</p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><br>-- <br>Sent from hand-held device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div>
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