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    <p>I've updated the QGIS task descriptions, based on suggestions
      from Harrissou and Bethel. Thanks. I've also provided a cross
      section of perspectives on the state of QGIS by linking back to
      some of your emails in the Resources section.</p>
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        href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#QGIS">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#QGIS</a></p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/4/19 8:22 am, Cameron Shorter
      wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Hi Bethel and Harrissou,
            <div>Thank you for sharing your insights into the QGIS
              community. This is really helpful feedback, and I'll
              update our Ideas page within the next day or two to
              incorporate some of your suggestions. The challenges you
              are facing and suggested solutions are eerily similar to
              those described within our OSGeoLive and GeoNetwork
              communities. So I think we are well positioned to focus on
              cross-project strategies.</div>
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            <div>I suggest that you both join our OSGeo SeasonOfDocs
              email list, where we will be discussing these topics in
              more depth. (That offer extends to anyone else lurking on
              this list and interested to monitor progress or take
              part.) <a
                href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/seasonofdocs"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/seasonofdocs</a></div>
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            <div>If you would like to continue contributing to the
              initiative, maybe as a writer, or mentor, or domain
              expert, then please also add your name to our "List of
              People Keen to be Involved":</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 03:32,
          Bethel Ugochukwu Ukazu <<a
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                  style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">i
                  have tried to provide some thoughts in text of <span>Harrissou's
                    email  (i beg your grace and indulgence to do
                    this). </span></div>
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                <div>if for any reason my contributions are out of place
                  , i mean does not follow the discussion. please pardon
                  me, i may have missed out due to many emails i receive
                  from the group.</div>
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                <div>regards </div>
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                  On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 2:44:04 p.m. GMT+1,
                  Harrissou <<a href="mailto:delazj@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">delazj@gmail.com</a>>
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                    <div style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                      Cameron and all,<br clear="none">
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                      I did not actively follow the discussion nor fully
                      understand how the GSOD program will be organized,
                      what actually can a senior technical writer
                      provide as expertise but I'm already glad to see
                      the interest of the wider OSGeo community in
                      improving and learning from QGIS doc. It's nice to
                      read comments from others than the Core QGIS
                      writers or issue reporters. I don't know whether
                      what I will raise below can be handled by the
                      program and did not take the time to structure my
                      thoughts (sorry) but I'd like to share things we
                      do or want to do, and hear from other projects how
                      they do.</div>
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                      Cameron, I share the points you compiled below,
                      and thanks to all of you for your contributions.<br
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                      I'd simply have expected that the step by step
                      chapter is now accessible to beginners. We made an
                      in-depth review few months ago, with (I may be
                      wrong) the help of a writer and a "beginner". But
                      still if you don't have enough potential
                      contributors to test the process and tell you
                      where they struggle to step in, it's hard for
                      advanced contributors to find the right level to
                      lower the barrier. That doesn't mean that what we
                      did is perfect; if there's a way to improve and
                      someone can help, it's more than welcome. Nick,
                      for reference, last year Alexandre Neto made a
                      video for first contribution to docs [0]; we
                      should have added to the guidelines but forgot. It
                      may need some cleanup but could maybe help you in
                      your plan.</div>
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                      We, at QGIS, but I guess it's the same for all our
                      projects, are lacking writers. Even call for paid
                      writers failed in the past. I don't know whether a
                      senior writer can help us understand why and find
                      how to fix it but, it could be nice...<br
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                      I've been contributing to QGIS doc for years and
                      one thing I miss is a cap, a direction. What are
                      the priorities? So I just adress "what I want,
                      when I can". Or when I catch some requests on the
                      mailing lists. Might not be different for others,
                      I think. Until recently, we had a contributor
                      asking what she should first focus on and no clear
                      answer arose so yes, if someone can help us to get
                      a strategy of writing, I'd be glad. And also
                      define schedules, plan when releases should be
                      better done. We do it greatly IMHO with the
                      application, it could be nice to have the same for
                      docs release. Experience from other projects may
                      help here.</div>
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                    <div><font color="#cd232c"><font face="Helvetica
                          Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">yes, i
                          agree with this strategy or long term plan,
                          lets say 2 year plan. i read emails always
                          from the group , often times discussions on
                          what to do are Brownian in nature, many times
                          about what one thinks or feels. i may be wrong
                          in my submission, but sincerely, it gets me to
                          wonder if what the direction is for the group
                          and what needs to be achieved.  </font></font></div>
                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif" color="#cd232c">At the Level which
                        QGIS is now, structure and institutional
                        framework is expedient, urgent and not to be
                        compromised at this time, if limitless
                        boundaries and impossibilities is the goal for
                        this generation Qgisers.</font></div>
                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif" color="#cd232c"><br>
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                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif" color="#cd232c">i understand the
                        concepts of volunteers and interests around
                        QGIS, but their needs to be a visionary
                        leadership or lets say a kind of structure may
                        be a cohort that gathers all our ideas together
                        and fashion out clearly where we must go, how
                        and when . </font></div>
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                    <div><span><font color="#cd232c">Richard, <span><span
                              style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                          Harry + some others, could take the lead in
                          this initiative of putting up a SMART
                          strategy </font></span><br>
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                    <div><span><font color="#cd232c"><br>
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                    <div><font color="#cd232c">An online meetings could
                        be a start point to put these ideas together.
                        But first  the 4+ of you may have to put like a
                        first draft where others could build on. </font></div>
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                    <div><font color="#cd232c">please not that this
                        would be done without compromising the
                        volunteer, individual responsibility nature of
                        Qgisers</font></div>
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                        color="#26282a">One of the strengths of QGIS
                        Docs is the tightness we are building with the
                        devs. For example, most of the dialogs (should)
                        have a help button that opens online the feature
                        page in the corresponding language of the user
                        manual if available. In the future, the docs
                        would be available locally. </font></div>
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                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif"><font color="#cd232c">i agree with
                          you on this </font></font></div>
                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
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                        color="#26282a">Also, Most of our 400 issue
                        reports are automatically generated by commits
                        in QGIS code so we directly have what we should
                        write about in the doc repo. But this becomes a
                        weakness when:</font><br clear="none">
                      <font style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                        color="#26282a">- there's not enough people to
                        write (increasing number of issues), </font><br
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                      <font style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                        color="#26282a">- there's no cleanup for
                        duplicate issues (because of backports) or
                        unrelated issues (eg API matters) --- we try to
                        fix these ones</font><br clear="none">
                      <font style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                        color="#26282a">- or the commit message is not
                        clear enough for writers (who may not have the
                        same technical knowledge as the developer). If
                        we can get some clues on how to make devs write
                        more detailed description in noob language, big
                        +1</font><br clear="none">
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                        color="#26282a">I think that triaging the issue
                        tracker and setting priorities and deadlines may
                        greatly help in telling where a senior writer
                        can help (in writing, I mean). I'm not sure any
                        of us (at least me, I do not) have the actual
                        big picture of the issue reports and can
                        categorize them. We already have the necessary
                        tags but now we need to use them. So this would
                        be my task 1.</font></div>
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                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif"> <font color="#cd232c"><span
                            style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                            style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                          the big picture is missing and there is need
                          to create one. </font><br clear="none">
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                        color="#26282a">As Richard or Matteo mentioned,
                        we are also reviewing the global
                        formatting/rendering of the docs. Whether we
                        move to readthedocs. In the meantime, we think
                        it could be nice to improve the rendering of the
                        Processing algorithms docs [1], looking for
                        something more compact and easy to read. An
                        initial work is done [2] and if we can get more
                        help to finish the prototype and apply it could
                        be nice.</font><br clear="none">
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                        color="#26282a">Another issue we can have is
                        that most of us are not English native speakers.
                        So a review of the docs from an English speaker
                        is more than desired. But I'm not sure if for
                        this, we necessarily need the person to be a
                        senior writer.</font></div>
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                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif" color="#cd232c">how about having
                        interns to do this work, may be for some of us
                        who are researchers or working in organisations,
                        on topics related to the ones raised here. May
                        be there is a chance. </font></div>
                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif" color="#cd232c">should we have a
                        structure, it would be easy to appreciate
                        fellows who may support in working on these
                        stuff. For example , a simple thank you letter
                        with signatures of colleagues on this group may
                        go a long way.....hahhahahah..... quite
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                        color="#26282a">The training materials (dataset
                        and instructions) are also an important item. We
                        are still working on updating to QGIS 3 and I'm
                        happy if there's a demand (/an offer?) to
                        structure and join efforts on this area. But to
                        be honest, I'm more interested in translatable
                        docs (because I'm not in an English working
                        environment and "my" community wouldn't reuse it
                        otherwise) than building an English only
                        infrastructure. So it could be nice if we keep
                        the translatability (?) in mind. Maybe, another
                        topic.</font><br clear="none">
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                        color="#26282a">Sorry for the lengthy message. I
                        hope there are information that clarify what we
                        do, that you can pick and improve our
                        submission. But whatever the result for GSOD, I
                        think there are a lot of ideas in this thread we
                        should try to implement in the long run.</font></div>
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                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
                        sans-serif"><font color="#cd232c">i am
                          wondering,  if there is some form of
                          documentation for ideas that come out of
                          discussions in this group. i think its
                          important to have these transitions and
                          evolutionary processes documented.  A few
                          years from now, there may be need to refer
                          back to these, may be for posterity <img
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                    <div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
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                          back to my submission for some form of
                          structure. </font></font></div>
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                      <font style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                        color="#26282a">PS: Since people were asking,
                        the best way to contact the QGIS Doc team is to
                        use the dedicated list <a
                          href="mailto:qgis-community-team@lists.osgeo.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">qgis-community-team@lists.osgeo.org</a>
                        as mentioned at </font><a shape="rect"
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                      <font style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                        color="#26282a">Regards,</font><br clear="none">
                      <font style="font-family:"Helvetica
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                        color="#26282a">Harrissou Sant-anna</font><br
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                          class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail_quote">Le
                          22 avril 2019 15:03:35 GMT+02:00, Cameron
                          Shorter <<a
                            href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
                          a écrit :
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                            <div dir="ltr">I've updated the QGIS Season
                              of Docs ideas, based on ideas on this list
                              so far. Thanks for your ideas, especially
                              thanks to Andrew for writing it out so
                              clearly.
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                                <p style="margin:0.5em
0px;line-height:inherit;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">QGIS,
                                  a desktop GIS application, is one of
                                  the OSGeo Foundation’s flagship
                                  projects with a broad developer and
                                  documentation community. QGIS core
                                  documentation is comprehensive and
                                  there is a diverse ecosystem of
                                  organisations and people who have
                                  created QGIS workshops and training
                                  courses. However, it is challenging
                                  for documenters to keep up with QGIS’s
                                  rapid innovation, to sustainably keep
                                  the breadth of documentation current,
                                  consistent, and targetted.</p>
                                <p style="margin:0.5em
0px;line-height:inherit;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Season
                                  of Docs ideas for QGIS include the
                                  following:</p>
                                <ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0px
1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Get
                                    assistance from writers to create a
                                    simple, and clear "quickstart". WHY?
                                    Because 11 of the 26 threads started
                                    in 2019 on the Australian user group
                                    are related to getting started,
                                    loading and exporting data. People
                                    indicate that they have referred to
                                    the documentation but are still
                                    lost.</li>
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Review
                                    the structure of current
                                    documentation and provide clear
                                    separation of tasks. WHY? Because
                                    there is a "Getting started" section
                                    in the user manual and also a
                                    separate documentation section on
                                    "Getting started with GIS" - Which
                                    route does a new user take? And is
                                    the best place for Getting started
                                    material to be nested in other
                                    material? A writer could assist with
                                    by defining the best practice
                                    structure.</li>
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Writers
                                    to review the language and
                                    readability of the QGIS "Step by
                                    Step contribution" (This is
                                    documentation for making
                                    documentation contributions). - <a
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href="https://docs.qgis.org/3.4/en/docs/documentation_guidelines/first_contribution.html"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background-color:initial;padding-right:13px"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.qgis.org/3.4/en/docs/documentation_guidelines/first_contribution.html</a> -
                                    WHY? This guide walks a user through
                                    making a contirbution to the QGIS
                                    documentation. I don't believe the
                                    method for maintaining documentation
                                    will change, so let's reduce the
                                    contributor’s barrier to entry by
                                    making this section so accurate and
                                    clear that anyone can pick it up.</li>
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Triage
                                    and then manage QGIS documentation
                                    issue tracker. Audit the status of
                                    QGIS documentation. Publicly share
                                    status, strategy, and vision which
                                    will help volunteers know how to
                                    engage, and what impact they can
                                    provide.</li>
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">There
                                    are a number of geospatial training
                                    courses which cover a range of
                                    topics. Merging all these courses
                                    into a central source is not logical
                                    or desirable. However, there would
                                    be value in consolidating the
                                    geospatial and QGIS basics into a
                                    central base. This will be
                                    challenging, but valuable, and would
                                    require both excellent writing and
                                    coordination skills. Some of the
                                    content authors are already
                                    committed to sharing and supporting
                                    such an initiative. Others will
                                    likely come on board once momentum
                                    grows.</li>
                                </ul>
                                <p style="margin:0.5em
0px;line-height:inherit;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Resources:</p>
                                <ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0px
1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a
                                      shape="rect"
                                      class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679external
gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-text"
                                      href="https://www.qgis.org/en/docs/index.html"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background-color:initial;padding-right:13px"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS
                                      Documentation</a></li>
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a
                                      shape="rect"
                                      class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679external
gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-text"
                                      href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background-color:initial;padding-right:13px"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS
                                      Documentation Issues</a></li>
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a
                                      shape="rect"
                                      class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679external
gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-text"
                                      href="http://spatialquerylab.com/foss4g-academy-curriculum/"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background-color:initial;padding-right:13px"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">University-level
                                      lectures and labs, created by
                                      GeoAcademy</a> (based on the older
                                    QGIS 2.18)</li>
                                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a
                                      shape="rect"
                                      class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679external
gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-text"
                                      href="https://www.gaiaresources.com.au/qgis-vids/"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background-color:initial;padding-right:13px"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">Environmental
                                      QGIS training and videos</a> from
                                    Gaia Resources (based on the older
                                    QGIS 2.18)</li>
                                </ul>
                              </div>
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                              <div
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                                dir="ltr">On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 08:22,
                                Cameron Shorter <<a shape="rect"
                                  href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                                  rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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                                wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                  <p>Hi folks, <br clear="none">
                                  </p>
                                  <p>I'm struggling to compile QGIS
                                    writing tasks for SeasonOfDocs which
                                    are as compelling as Jo and Maria
                                    have put together for GeoNetwork:</p>
                                  <p><a shape="rect"
                                      href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#GeoNetwork"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#GeoNetwork</a></p>
                                  <p> I'm hoping that those of you who
                                    have used QGIS docs can list
                                    strengths and then be fully
                                    transparent about its weaknesses. If
                                    we don't have much of a problem,
                                    something requiring senior technical
                                    writer expertise, then why would
                                    Google want to help us? There will
                                    be plenty of worthy projects for
                                    Google to select from.</p>
                                  <p>We have 3 days (till 23 April) to
                                    respond. Could you please help by
                                    brainstorming ideas in this email
                                    thread. I'll commit to compiling
                                    them into <a shape="rect"
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                                    . (Although feel free to update it
                                    yourself.)<br clear="none">
                                  </p>
                                  <p>Ideas I'm considering based on the
                                    conversations so far:</p>
                                  <p>* There appears to be a high
                                    technical barrier to entry which
                                    makes it hard for new users to
                                    engage with improving QGIS docs. Is
                                    this so? What writing tasks could we
                                    put in place to address this?<br
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                                  </p>
                                  <p>* OSGeoLive has successfully
                                    attracted authors from ~ 50 projects
                                    to write Quickstarts and Project
                                    Overviews based on clear templates
                                    and writing guides. Would a
                                    template/writing guide be useful for
                                    QGIS? For what doc types? Workshops?
                                    Tutorials? (I'm suspecting these to
                                    be in the sweet spot for us, as they
                                    could be rolled out through
                                    OSGeoLive to other projects).<br
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                                  </p>
                                  <p>* "<i>Training materials are
                                      generally tailored to a customer,
                                      their technical use case, using
                                      sample maps from the customer's
                                      location in the world. This makes
                                      it difficult to develop
                                      consolidated material that works
                                      for everyone". </i>However<i>,
                                      "there's a really big need for
                                      standard training materials- and
                                      also if possible the kind of
                                      training materials that could be
                                      used for schools, to try to break
                                      the monopoly that certain
                                      proprietary companies have on that
                                      area."</i> How can we define this
                                    task more clearly?</p>
                                  <p>* The GeoNetwork team have provided
                                    an honest statement about the
                                    quality and completeness of their
                                    documentation. Does QGIS
                                    documentation have similar
                                    limitations? (My initial skim over
                                    docs suggest that the quality might
                                    be better, but I could be wrong.)</p>
                                  <p>* QGIS has had a major feature
                                    update from 2.18 to 3.4.x. I suspect
                                    we should talk about this? What
                                    documentation still needs to be
                                    updated or improved as a
                                    consequence?</p>
                                  <p>* With a rapidly innovating product
                                    like QGIS, with large documentation
                                    base, we could be running into
                                    challenges around maintenance and
                                    sustainability. Do you consider this
                                    a problem? If so, can you provide
                                    examples we can reference? Do you
                                    have suggestions on writing tasks to
                                    address this?<br clear="none">
                                  </p>
                                  <p>* Matteo mentions an issue tracker
                                    with over 400 writing tasks in it.
                                    How do we resource the management of
                                    these issues? We likely won't be
                                    allocated a <b>senior</b> writer to
                                    action such a list (Google's target
                                    for this initiative), but we might
                                    get a junior writer. This might not
                                    be supported until future Google
                                    writing initiatives, based on our
                                    identified need for such a role.</p>
                                  <p> * I'm aware that there are
                                    multiple QGIS training courses on
                                    the web, some which are free and
                                    open. Could you identify those that
                                    a tech writer should consider. You
                                    can list in the "Resources:" list in
                                    <a shape="rect"
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                                    . I notice that much of the training
                                    on the web is still based on version
                                    2.18. Should we suggest effort be
                                    dedicated to updating them to 3.4?<br
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                                  </p>
                                  <p>----</p>
                                  <p>Please respond to this email with
                                    your ideas. I'll really appreciate
                                    the help.</p>
                                  <p>What follows are the emails and
                                    ideas I've based the above thoughts
                                    upon.</p>
                                  <p>Warm regards, Cameron</p>
                                  <p>----<br clear="none">
                                  </p>
                                  <br
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                                  <p>Matteo's suggestions:</p>
                                  <ul
                                    style="list-style-type:disc;margin:0.3em
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                                    <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Pyqgis
                                      cookbook code snipped are now
                                      automatically tested, meaning that
                                      every new contribution will be
                                      rock solid and code snippets can
                                      be taken "as they are" and pasted
                                      in QGIS</li>
                                    <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Change
                                      the doc style to the more readable
                                      Read-The-Docs vanilla theme (fully
                                      supported by sphinx). A live
                                      example here<span> </span><a
                                        shape="rect"
class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-m_1455548889327654178external
gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-m_1455548889327654178free"
                                        href="https://qgis.org/test/en/"
style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background-color:initial;padding-right:13px"
                                        rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://qgis.org/test/en/</a>.</li>
                                    <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Besides
                                      from contents, writing
                                      documentation isn't easy because
                                      of the complex framework (sphinx,
                                      git, github, etc). Improving the
                                      WYSIWYG github editor would be a
                                      great enhancement</li>
                                    <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Cleaning
                                      the issue tracker in github (>
                                      400 issue now) in many different
                                      ways: verifying issues, closing
                                      duplicates, make order in the
                                      labels, etc</li>
                                  </ul>
                                  <div
class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-m_1455548889327654178moz-cite-prefix">On
                                    12/4/19 2:46 pm, Andrew Jeffrey
                                    wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Hi,
                                      <div><br clear="none">
                                      </div>
                                      <div>I agree with Jo's respone to
                                        Camerons question. </div>
                                      <div><br clear="none">
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Training materials are
                                        generally tailored to a type of
                                        customer and I this believe
                                        makes it difficult to develop
                                        consolidated material that works
                                        for everyone. The similarities I
                                        do see in training material
                                        though is the basics, the kind
                                        of basics that are taught to new
                                        users like those in the
                                        education space.</div>
                                      <div><br clear="none">
                                      </div>
                                      <div>As Jo mentioned there is
                                        potential here to break a
                                        monolopy in this space, and get
                                        exposure to new users early in
                                        their development. What makes
                                        this even better is a solid
                                        training material base owned by
                                        the community can be used by
                                        anyone creating training
                                        material, providing a consistent
                                        training base whether you learn
                                        in your own time online or go to
                                        trainer "A". Effectively
                                        consolidating the "QGIS
                                        beginner" training material.</div>
                                      <div><br clear="none">
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Regards</div>
                                      <div><br clear="none">
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Andrew</div>
                                    </div>
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                                      <div
                                        class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail_attr"
                                        dir="ltr">On Thu, Apr 11, 2019
                                        at 2:21 AM Jo Cook <<a
                                          shape="rect"
                                          href="mailto:jo.k.cook@gmail.com"
                                          rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">jo.k.cook@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                        <div dir="ltr">HI All,
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                                          </div>
                                          <div><snip></div>
                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Secondly- Cameron's
                                            question about QGIS courses-
                                            we also run QGIS training
                                            courses in the UK, and I
                                            think there's a fairly wide
                                            market, both geographically,
                                            and in the types of
                                            customer. We are focused on
                                            integration with cloud
                                            technologies, such as
                                            delivering QGIS via AWS
                                            AppStream, and less on
                                            teaching people to use all
                                            of the functionality, for
                                            example for higher-end
                                            processing and analysis.
                                            Having said that, I think
                                            there's a really big need
                                            for standard training
                                            materials- and also if
                                            possible the kind of
                                            training materials that
                                            could be used for schools,
                                            to try to break the monopoly
                                            that certain proprietary
                                            companies have on that area.</div>
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                                          </div>
                                          <div>Regards</div>
                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Jo</div>
                                        </div>
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                                        <div
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                                          <div
                                            class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail_attr"
                                            dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 10,
                                            2019 at 2:27 PM Cameron
                                            Shorter <<a shape="rect"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
                                            wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                              <p>Thanks for the
                                                introduction Nick. One
                                                thing that puzzles me is
                                                that there appears to be
                                                a lot of people setting
                                                up QGIS training courses
                                                and I would have thought
                                                it would be beneficial
                                                of these separate
                                                initiatives were to
                                                become more
                                                consolidated.</p>
                                              <p>I'd expect that
                                                consolidating workshops
                                                would be a very valuable
                                                task, as it would focus
                                                the community together.</p>
                                              <p>It would also be a
                                                suitably challenging
                                                task to bring multiple
                                                threads together, and
                                                something that would be
                                                worthy of a senior
                                                technical writer's
                                                expertise.</p>
                                              <p>What are people's
                                                thoughts on the current
                                                state of available QGIS
                                                training courses? Is
                                                there potential to
                                                consolidate? Or is
                                                everyone tailoring to
                                                their unique user base?
                                                <br clear="none">
                                              </p>
                                              <p>Warm regards, Cameron<br
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                                              </p>
                                              <p><br clear="none">
                                              </p>
                                              <div
class="gmail-m_2745022833324480249ydp55966657yiv0556219679gmail-m_1455548889327654178gmail-m_-8879180848396350800gmail-m_-8174159744361345516moz-cite-prefix">On
                                                10/4/19 10:13 pm, Nick
                                                Bearman wrote:<br
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                                                <div dir="ltr"><snip>
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                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I'm keen to
                                                      learn how to
                                                      contribute more
                                                      effectively,
                                                      particularly to
                                                      QGIS
                                                      documentation, and
                                                      I am also looking
                                                      to run a workshop
                                                      on how to
                                                      contribute to OS
                                                      documentation at
                                                      upcoming FOSS4G UK
                                                      event in
                                                      Edinburgh, UK in
                                                      Sept.</div>
                                                    <div><br
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                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I am familiar
                                                      with Git/GitHub
                                                      and Markdown. The
                                                      RST format of the
                                                      QGIS Documentation
                                                      site sometimes
                                                      eludes me! I look
                                                      forward to working
                                                      with you all. </div>
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