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<p>Erin, you've been included in the invite to this meeting. Why
don't you start by sending a brief email to this list to introduce
yourself:</p>
<p>Who are you? What is your interest in TheGoodDocsProject? How
would you like to be involved?<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/6/19 4:22 am, Riona Macnamara
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Another thing to consider is providing resources
that support writers and other documentarians in their careers.
For example:
<div>
<ul>
<li>Guidelines on how to measure and communicate the value
and impact of your documentation work:</li>
<ul>
<li>Reporting templates</li>
<li>Guidelines on using and interpreting Analytics data
(etc.)</li>
</ul>
<li>Doc sprint in a box</li>
<li>Doc plan templates</li>
<li>...</li>
</ul>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:56
PM Stephanie Blotner <<a href="mailto:sblotner59@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sblotner59@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Adding on to these ideas, I think a combination
of the following will be most effective:
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<ul>
<li><b>Excellent examples</b> that follow the best
practices (which aligns with the development practice
of looking at a real-world working example)</li>
<li><b>Templates</b> that make best practices easy to
implement (prevents the <a
href="https://gifimage.net/blinking-cursor-gif-3/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">blank page
anxiety</a>)</li>
<li><b>Guidance about how to uplevel your docs</b> (for
example, it's hard to write task-based docs when you
haven't identified your audience or thought about what
the tasks in the workflow are)</li>
</ul>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>I'd be curious to collect/see data about open source
developer interest in "how to write good docs" training.
Starting with examples and templates is a quick win. </div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at
2:20 PM Riona Macnamara <<a
href="mailto:rionam@google.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rionam@google.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a class="gmail_plusreply"
id="gmail-m_2885298867102351280gmail-m_4523877391047477462plusReplyChip-2"
href="mailto:emckean@google.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+Erin McKean</a> <br>
<div>Adding Erin McKean, who is doing a lot of work
around documentation guidelines and best practices for
open source projects at every stage of the project
lifecycle.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for brevity - have been in meetings
continually</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 26, 2019
at 3:26 PM Cameron Shorter <<a
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>My brain dump additions to Felicity's skeleton
embedded below.</p>
<p>Felicity, you started a google doc earlier with
some of your ideas. Do you think we should retask
it to becoming the first draft of our vision doc?
<br>
</p>
<div
class="gmail-m_2885298867102351280gmail-m_4523877391047477462gmail-m_-123214357487461424moz-cite-prefix">On
26/6/19 10:57 am, Felicity Brand wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In the interest of starting
discussions, here goes:
<div>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I
think articulating the goal is really
important, as is defining our audience.
This is going to drive everything.</p>
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</blockquote>
<p>We want to create a "best practices" guide and
associated suite of templates for creating
technical documentation for Open Source Software
projects (as our primary use case). It will be
almost directly applicable to all software
projects and we should aim to cater for all
software projects. It will be reasonably
applicable to broader technical writing. While we
should remain focused on our core audience, we
should consider writing our documents such that
they can be easily customised and extended into
other domains. <br>
</p>
<p>Borrowing from Open Government design principles,
we should "Do the hard work to make things
Simple".</p>
<p><a
class="gmail-m_2885298867102351280gmail-m_4523877391047477462gmail-m_-123214357487461424moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/government-design-principles#do-the-hard-work-to-make-it-simple"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.gov.uk/guidance/government-design-principles#do-the-hard-work-to-make-it-simple</a></p>
<p>Rather than each organisations attempting to
create their own writing guides, lets attract the
cross section of communication expertise into one
central community. Within our community of
communicators, we will debate and decide upon best
practices for a range of documentation types.</p>
<p>We should capture a body of knowledge,
referencing the best research and guides we can
find. We should tailor components this knowledge
to specific user groups. We could describe this as
user stories. E.g.:<br>
</p>
<p>* As a software developer who needs to document
my project, I need a template, clear writing
instructions, and an example which I can easily
adapt of follow.</p>
<p>* As a documentarian reviewing a developer's
docs, I want guides and and checklists to review
against.</p>
<p>I our next doc down from the vision should
introduce the concept of a star rating for docs.
Huge value can be gifted to projects by helping
them get from the 1 star of "sort of covered docs"
to the 2 stars of having a techie align docs with
templates. This now frees up tech writers to focus
on the more challenging tasks of polishing and
tailoring existing content.<br>
</p>
<p>...<br>
</p>
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<div>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I've
briefly reviewed the excellent resources
that already exist that people are
pointing us to and my first reaction is
that:</p>
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</blockquote>
I'm really interested to hear feedback on what is
good or bad about the source material we have
identified. Maybe create a list of our sources, and
then comment on elements which we would want to
bring into our master guide.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> </p>
<ul
style="margin-left:0.375in;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in"
type="disc">
<li
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;vertical-align:middle"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">We should start with the
assumption that good docs are good. We
don't need to bend over backwards
articulating why.</span></li>
<li
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;vertical-align:middle"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">We don't need to train people
*how* to write good docs.</span></li>
<li
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;vertical-align:middle"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">We just provide really
excellent templates and guidance on
how to apply them.</span></li>
</ul>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">That
is going to be the most useful and the
TL;DR option for folks who have a messy
open source project and want to bring it
up to scratch. They're already motivated
to improve their docs.</p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">We
could point people to other resources if
they want to dive deeper into the whys and
hows.</p>
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</blockquote>
<p>Yes, and we might want to absorb and collate the
other resources into our own dedicated sections.</p>
<p>We want to avoid saying "Want to learn more? Go
read these 10 books, research papers, and blogs on
the subject, and wade through tonnes of crap in
order to find the gems. There will be a lot of
value if we can increase the signal-to-noise ratio
for all our stakeholders. (This is a slow burn
activity).<br>
</p>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Things
like clarity, consistency, etc (the 5 C's)
is something that most good tech writers
know, so why do we need to articulate this
again?</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>I just googled the 5 C's. Apparently there are 7.</p>
<p>Our first target audience are techies who are
writing docs (software developers and software
users). Many will be like me and won't know the 5
C's, and won't need to know them if our templates
are good enough.<br>
</p>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">
Are we teaching folk to write? Give a man
a fish and you feed him for a day but
teach a man to fish and you feed him for a
lifetime. Are we teaching people to fish?
I wouldn't have thought so... I think
we're just giving people fish templates.
OR, to strangle the metaphor further,
giving people a baited<span
style="font-size:11pt"> </span><span
style="font-size:11pt">line in a barrel
full of fish. So they are far more
likely to succeed without having to
learn to fish in the first place. <br>
</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Yes, maybe it is a case of "bring your barrel of
fish, we provide a stick of dynamite, you light the
fuse."<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
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style="font-size:11pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt">So that's my
first reaction. Happy to discuss further
and I can't wait to see what everyone
else thinks!</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Cheers</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in
0.375in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Felicity</span></p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun
25, 2019 at 10:22 PM Cameron Shorter <<a
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>I'm feeling pretty special to be
amongst a bunch smart tech writers who
are keen create a "writing templates"
project (and a quite a bit more).</p>
<p>Here is what I suggest we do next:</p>
<p>1. Over the next few weeks, lets start
discussions on this <a
class="gmail-m_2885298867102351280gmail-m_4523877391047477462gmail-m_-123214357487461424gmail-m_3584686751867454442moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:SeasonOfDocs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">SeasonOfDocs@lists.osgeo.org</a>
email list.</p>
<p>2. Between us, lets articulate our
vision. I suggest we bounce ideas around
on this list, and start collecting them
into a Google doc that we collectively
edit. I've been getting inspired by each
of you on what this vision might be. We
should think big, but make sure our
first goals are very achievable.<br>
</p>
<p>3. Are there any existing projects
which we should join instead of starting
our own? <br>
</p>
<p>* Riona pointed to this project: <a
href="https://github.com/kylelobo/The-Documentation-Compendium"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/kylelobo/The-Documentation-Compendium<br>
</a></p>
<p>* Stephanie pointed to: <a
class="gmail-m_2885298867102351280gmail-m_4523877391047477462gmail-m_-123214357487461424gmail-m_3584686751867454442moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/San-Francisco-Write-The-Docs/lone-writers-guide"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/San-Francisco-Write-The-Docs/lone-writers-guide</a> </p>
<p>Does anyone know the people behind
these projects? We should reach out to
them. I'll be interested to hear
thoughts on these projects.</p>
<p>Lets discuss on email over the upcoming
week. Next week, lets aim to decide if
we are to join an existing project or
start our own.<br>
</p>
<p>4. I suggest we set up a meeting next
week with those of us who can make it.
Maybe:</p>
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href="https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/cdt" title="Central
Daylight Time"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(85,107,181);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">CDT</a></td>
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style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:0.4em;vertical-align:top;border:none">UTC-5
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hour</td>
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<p>(I can do earlier or later.)<br>
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<p>5. A few of you were wanting to get
clarifications from your organisations
about open sourcing material. I suggest
letting us know how that progresses.
This might help <a
href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-open-business-business-case.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-open-business-business-case.html</a></p>
<p>6. If we decide to start our own
project, we will need to set up web
pages, project structure and so on. If
we join an existing project, we will
likely need to help them do some of
these things. We can start in a week or
two.</p>
<p>Okay, over to you. Please don't be shy
- share your ideas and suggestions, and
lets get this vision nailed down.<br>
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M +61 (0) 419 142 254</pre>
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