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<p>Hi Stephanie,</p>
<p>The licenses mentioned are usually applied to software code.</p>
<p>For documentation and other creative works (such as video), more
applicable and more widely used are the Creative Commons licenses.
I suggest going back to your legal department and explain to them
that we are developing documentation. If they are not familiar
with Creative Commons licenses, I suggest asking them to become
familiar. <br>
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<p>I'd be happy to talk with them if that helps.</p>
<p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/7/19 6:27 pm, Jo Cook wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Stephanie,</div>
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<div>Is this true for documentation as well as any code
snippets? Does this effectively rule out our desire to use
CC-0 or CC-By?</div>
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<div>Jo<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:22
PM Stephanie Blotner <<a href="mailto:sblotner59@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sblotner59@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Hi all,</font>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
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<div>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font
face="arial, sans-serif">For Uber to contribute to
this effort, here's what I learned:</font></p>
<ul>
<li
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font
face="arial, sans-serif">We can easily contribute
to these licenses: Apache 2, MIT, or BSD (I'll
need to jump through more hoops for other
licenses)</font></li>
<li
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font
face="arial, sans-serif">We <b>cannot</b> contribute
to projects with the following licenses:</font></li>
<ul>
<li><font face="arial, sans-serif">No License</font></li>
<li><font face="arial, sans-serif">AGPL</font></li>
<li><font face="arial, sans-serif">GPLv3</font></li>
<li><font face="arial, sans-serif">LGPLv3</font></li>
</ul>
<li><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">It’s
also preferred if the project has no Contributor
License Agreement (CLA) </span></li>
</ul>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Best,</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Stephanie</font></div>
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9:15 AM Stephanie Blotner <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Cameron,
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<div>I've reached out, but haven't heard anything back
yet. </div>
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<div>- Stephanie</div>
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8:33 AM Jo Cook <<a
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<div>Hi Cameron,</div>
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<div>I've put this out to as many people as I can
think of- both at Astun Technology and elsewhere.
I hope I'll get a nice spread of answers within
the fortnight- I'll let you know!</div>
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<div>Jo<br>
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2019 at 11:17 PM Cameron Shorter <<a
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<div dir="ltr">For those of you working at a
company which may have an opinion on the license
selection we choose for TheGoodDocsProject,
could you please reach out to your legal
department and ask them:
<div>1. Do they have an opinion on which
licenses we select?</div>
<div>2. Are they able to provide their opinion
within a week or two?</div>
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<div>I expect we will select one of the
permissive licenses, probably CC0 for media.
I'm less opinionated about any code we create
but suspect we would adopt the license(s) of
software projects we extend.</div>
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2019 at 05:52, Clarence Cromwell <<a
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<div>I think CCO would work for the
templates, which is where I'm most
interested in contributing. </div>
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<div>I hope the templates can be used by
corporate doc teams as well as open-source
teams. I know next to nothing about
licensing, but I think that would at least
require the we allow commercial use
without requiring share-alike licensing
(which companies like mine would probably
avoid). </div>
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<div>Clarence</div>
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Jul 2, 2019 at 2:47 PM Jennifer Rondeau
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<div dir="ltr">I'm fine with CC-0.
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<div>FWIW, the Kubernetes docs license
is CC-BY and the code license is
Apache 2.0. We do not have an explicit
code license in the docs repository,
however, which has led to some
occasional confusion when people want
to use the docs with the example code.
Example code isn't quite the same
thing as what we intend to provide as
code/tools -- but it's analogous
enough that I offer the story as data
to back the "let's be careful to
license everything appropriately"
approach.</div>
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<div>And +1000 to a "how to attribute"
section in our now nicely named
metadocumentation. </div>
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Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:51 PM Erin
McKean <<a
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target="_blank"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi folks!
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<div>One of our action items from
the past meeting was to discuss
how to license any templates or
other content produced by the
project.</div>
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<div>For background, here's a list
of CC licenses: <a
href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://creativecommons.org/licenses/</a></div>
<div>And here are software licenses
(although I don't think that
software licenses are generally
useful for templates we should
probably have the licensing
discussion all in one go and since
we may release tools/code that
would be better served by software
licenses ....) <a
href="https://opensource.org/licenses"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://opensource.org/licenses</a></div>
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<div>For templates, I think the
discussion is "what do we want to
enable?" rather than "what do we
want to prevent?" since bad actors
are not noted for their scrupulous
attention to licensing details.
:) <br>
</div>
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<div>CC-0 or CC-BY would be the two
most open licenses. I like CC-BY
but CC-0 with a (polite, not
binding) request for attribution
would be fine by me, too. FWIW, it
is extremely difficult (to put it
mildly) to use anything
AGPL-licensed at Google, so I
would strongly prefer to use
Apache or MIT for any code/tools.</div>
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<div>In any case, I think we should
have a "how to attribute" section
in our metadocumentation and also
reach out to the CC people when
we've got something we want to
share so that we can be included
in their list of open culture
resources. </div>
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<div>Other open questions: </div>
<div> * what do other similar
projects use for their licenses?</div>
<div> * any other licenses on the
no-go list? (e.g. NC-type licenses
close off a lot of possible
users/contributors)</div>
<div> * would we be incorporating
content that would need SA-type
licenses? Would we SA individual
tools/docs? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In responding, if you could
please state either a clear
preference or a "anything's fine
by me" we can try for a rough
consensus quickly -- since
relicensing is problematic we
probably need to have this decided
before anything substantial gets
published.</div>
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<div>Also I am NOT A LAWYER, just a
copyright geek, so I would like to
collect questions and then take
them to A Real Lawyer™️ for
answers.</div>
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<div>Thanks!<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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