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    <p>Hi Stephanie,</p>
    <p>The licenses mentioned are usually applied to software code.</p>
    <p>For documentation and other creative works (such as video), more
      applicable and more widely used are the Creative Commons licenses.
      I suggest going back to your legal department and explain to them
      that we are developing documentation. If they are not familiar
      with Creative Commons licenses, I suggest asking them to become
      familiar. <br>
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    <p>I'd be happy to talk with them if that helps.</p>
    <p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
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        <div>Hi Stephanie,</div>
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        <div>Is this true for documentation as well as any code
          snippets? Does this effectively rule out our desire to use
          CC-0 or CC-By?</div>
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        <div>Jo<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:22
          PM Stephanie Blotner <<a href="mailto:sblotner59@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">sblotner59@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Hi all,</font>
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                <p
                  style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font
                    face="arial, sans-serif">For Uber to contribute to
                    this effort, here's what I learned:</font></p>
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                  <li
                    style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font
                      face="arial, sans-serif">We can easily contribute
                      to these licenses: Apache 2, MIT, or BSD (I'll
                      need to jump through more hoops for other
                      licenses)</font></li>
                  <li
                    style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font
                      face="arial, sans-serif">We <b>cannot</b> contribute
                      to projects with the following licenses:</font></li>
                  <ul>
                    <li><font face="arial, sans-serif">No License</font></li>
                    <li><font face="arial, sans-serif">AGPL</font></li>
                    <li><font face="arial, sans-serif">GPLv3</font></li>
                    <li><font face="arial, sans-serif">LGPLv3</font></li>
                  </ul>
                  <li><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">It’s
                      also preferred if the project has no Contributor
                      License Agreement (CLA) </span></li>
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              <div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Best,</font></div>
              <div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Stephanie</font></div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at
              9:15 AM Stephanie Blotner <<a
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              <div dir="ltr">Thanks Cameron, 
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                <div>I've reached out, but haven't heard anything back
                  yet. </div>
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                <div>- Stephanie</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at
                  8:33 AM Jo Cook <<a
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                    <div>Hi Cameron,</div>
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                    <div>I've put this out to as many people as I can
                      think of- both at Astun Technology and elsewhere.
                      I hope I'll get a nice spread of answers within
                      the fortnight- I'll let you know!</div>
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                    <div>Jo<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7,
                      2019 at 11:17 PM Cameron Shorter <<a
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                      <div dir="ltr">For those of you working at a
                        company which may have an opinion on the license
                        selection we choose for TheGoodDocsProject,
                        could you please reach out to your legal
                        department and ask them:
                        <div>1. Do they have an opinion on which
                          licenses we select?</div>
                        <div>2. Are they able to provide their opinion
                          within a week or two?</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>I expect we will select one of the
                          permissive licenses, probably CC0 for media.
                          I'm less opinionated about any code we create
                          but suspect we would adopt the license(s) of
                          software projects we extend.</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 8 Jul
                          2019 at 05:52, Clarence Cromwell <<a
                            href="mailto:clarencewcromwell@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">clarencewcromwell@gmail.com</a>>
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                            <div>I think CCO would work for the
                              templates, which is where I'm most
                              interested in contributing. </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I hope the templates can be used by
                              corporate doc teams as well as open-source
                              teams. I know next to nothing about
                              licensing, but I think that would at least
                              require the we allow commercial use
                              without requiring share-alike licensing
                              (which companies like mine would probably
                              avoid). </div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>Clarence</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue,
                              Jul 2, 2019 at 2:47 PM Jennifer Rondeau
                              <<a
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                              <div dir="ltr">I'm fine with CC-0. 
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                                <div>FWIW, the Kubernetes docs license
                                  is CC-BY and the code license is
                                  Apache 2.0. We do not have an explicit
                                  code license in the docs repository,
                                  however, which has led to some
                                  occasional confusion when people want
                                  to use the docs with the example code.
                                  Example code isn't quite the same
                                  thing as what we intend to provide as
                                  code/tools -- but it's analogous
                                  enough that I offer the story as data
                                  to back the "let's be careful to
                                  license everything appropriately"
                                  approach.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>And +1000 to a "how to attribute"
                                  section in our now nicely named
                                  metadocumentation. </div>
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                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                  Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:51 PM Erin
                                  McKean <<a
                                    href="mailto:emckean@google.com"
                                    target="_blank"
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Hi folks!
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                                    <div>One of our action items from
                                      the past meeting was to discuss
                                      how to license any templates or
                                      other content produced by the
                                      project.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>For background, here's a list
                                      of CC licenses: <a
                                        href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://creativecommons.org/licenses/</a></div>
                                    <div>And here are software licenses
                                      (although I don't think that
                                      software licenses are generally
                                      useful for templates we should
                                      probably have the licensing
                                      discussion all in one go and since
                                      we may release tools/code that
                                      would be better served by software
                                      licenses ....) <a
                                        href="https://opensource.org/licenses"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://opensource.org/licenses</a></div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>For templates, I think the
                                      discussion is "what do we want to
                                      enable?" rather than "what do we
                                      want to prevent?" since bad actors
                                      are not noted for their scrupulous
                                      attention to licensing details.
                                      :) <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>CC-0 or CC-BY would be the two
                                      most open licenses. I like CC-BY
                                      but CC-0 with a (polite, not
                                      binding) request for attribution
                                      would be fine by me, too. FWIW, it
                                      is extremely difficult (to put it
                                      mildly) to use anything
                                      AGPL-licensed at Google, so I
                                      would strongly prefer to use
                                      Apache or MIT for any code/tools.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>In any case, I think we should
                                      have a "how to attribute" section
                                      in our metadocumentation  and also
                                      reach out to the CC people when
                                      we've got something we want to
                                      share so that we can be included
                                      in their list of open culture
                                      resources. </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Other open questions: </div>
                                    <div> * what do other similar
                                      projects use for their licenses?</div>
                                    <div> * any other licenses on the
                                      no-go list? (e.g. NC-type licenses
                                      close off a lot of possible
                                      users/contributors)</div>
                                    <div> * would we be incorporating
                                      content that would need SA-type
                                      licenses? Would we SA individual
                                      tools/docs? </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>In responding, if you could
                                      please state either a clear
                                      preference or a "anything's fine
                                      by me" we can try for a rough
                                      consensus quickly -- since
                                      relicensing is problematic we
                                      probably need to have this decided
                                      before anything substantial gets
                                      published.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Also I am NOT A LAWYER, just a
                                      copyright geek, so I would like to
                                      collect questions and then take
                                      them to A Real Lawyer™️ for
                                      answers.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Thanks!<br>
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