<div dir="ltr">Thanks Cameron! Sorry, I didn't mean to block. I can change to a 0 for now and try to get more info about the disapproval of DCOs next week!<div><br></div><div>Thanks!<br><br></div><div>Erin</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 12:25 PM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>Hi Erin, would you mind expanding your reasoning for the -1.
      Typically if you vote -1 (considered a blocking vote), then the
      onus is on you to explain what it would take to change to vote to
      a non-blocking vote.</p>
    <p>If Google legal are mildly against, then I suggest change to a -0
      ("I prefer not, and this is why ...").</p>
    <p>I'm hoping Google legal can present us with a case which
      addresses the concerns we have about introducing a high barrier to
      entry for non-technical contributors, noting that we don't have a
      legal entity to make use of.</p>
    <p>I'd be happy to join a hangouts meeting with them, which I
      suspect would be helpful.</p>
    <p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
    </p>
    <div class="gmail-m_-4840173091000831066moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/19 5:04 am, Erin McKean wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">-1 (Google legal prefers not to use DCOs ...) </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 1:40 PM
          Jared Morgan <<a href="mailto:jaredleonmorgan@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaredleonmorgan@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">+1 </div>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri., 2 Aug. 2019,
              02:24 Stephanie Blotner, <<a href="mailto:sblotner59@gmail.com" target="_blank">sblotner59@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">+1<br>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at
                  6:11 AM Clarence Cromwell <<a href="mailto:clarencewcromwell@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">clarencewcromwell@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">+1 on developer’s certificate
                    <div>+1 on Doctopus</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Doctopus would be a more memorable name for the
                      project itself.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Quills and books are clear identifiers, but we
                      can also have an Octopus with something more
                      modern like a keyboard. </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                      <br>
                      <div id="gmail-m_-4840173091000831066gmail-m_876474673461073053m_8080669636547874847gmail-m_2511313783952186938AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        On Aug 1, 2019, at 2:39 AM, Felicity Brand <<a href="mailto:felicitybrand@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">felicitybrand@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div dir="ltr">+1<br>
                          </div>
                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu,
                              Aug 1, 2019 at 7:03 PM Sanket Totewar <<a href="mailto:sanket@totewar.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sanket@totewar.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">+1<br>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                  Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 5:59 PM Jo Cook
                                  <<a href="mailto:jo.k.cook@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jo.k.cook@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">+1<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:23 PM
                                      Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                        <div>
                                          <div>Following on from our
                                            meeting yesterday, and this
                                            email thread, and our
                                            meeting yesterday, I'm
                                            breaking this discussion
                                            into two motions to vote on.<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <br class="gmail-m_-4840173091000831066gmail-m_876474673461073053m_8080669636547874847gmail-m_2511313783952186938gmail-m_656203185599005564gmail-m_-2830453120098355481gmail-m_5544526965887396080gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Motion 1: I propose that
                                          TheGoodDocsProject adopt the
                                          "Developer Certificate of
                                          Origin", current at version
                                          1.0, as our Contributor
                                          License Agreement:</div>
                                        <div><a href="https://developercertificate.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
                                            noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://developercertificate.org/</a>  <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>(This motion doesn't extend
                                          to how we implement).</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>+1 Cameron<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed,
                                            31 Jul 2019 at 06:11, Erin
                                            McKean <<a href="mailto:emckean@google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">emckean@google.com</a>>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                          </div>
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                                            <div dir="ltr">I did a
                                              little digging -- I think
                                              we could get a lightweight
                                              CLA with <a href="https://github.com/cla-assistant/cla-assistant" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/cla-assistant/cla-assistant</a> which
                                              allows for signing CLAs
                                              right inside pull
                                              requests. I'm happy to
                                              volunteer to set it up if
                                              we decide to go this way.
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Cameron has an
                                                excellent point about us
                                                already having the most
                                                permissive license. :) </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                                Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at
                                                1:05 PM Jo Cook <<a href="mailto:jo.k.cook@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jo.k.cook@gmail.com</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                              </div>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">
                                                  <div>I'm in favour of
                                                    4, which could be
                                                    made even better by
                                                    adding it to a pull
                                                    request template.
                                                    That way even people
                                                    who contribute by
                                                    editing a file in
                                                    the github interface
                                                    will see it, whether
                                                    they like it or not!</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Jo<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                                    Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at
                                                    7:24 PM Sanket
                                                    Totewar <<a href="mailto:sanket@totewar.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sanket@totewar.com</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                  </div>
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <div dir="auto">I
                                                        like 3.
                                                        Seamless... But
                                                        happy with 4 or
                                                        5 too.</div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                                          Tue, 30 Jul
                                                          2019 at 22:37,
                                                          Jared Morgan
                                                          <<a href="mailto:jaredleonmorgan@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jaredleonmorgan@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                        </div>
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                                                          <div dir="auto">I'd
                                                          be OK with 4
                                                          if necessary
                                                          and definitely
                                                          5. </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue., 30 Jul. 2019, 21:28 Cameron Shorter, <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">From
                                                          my recent
                                                          reading:
                                                          <div>There are
                                                          a few variants
                                                          of CLAs.</div>
                                                          <div>1.
                                                          Developers/Employers
                                                          assign their
                                                          code ownership
                                                          to an entity -
                                                          typically a
                                                          trusted
                                                          not-for-profit.
                                                          The
                                                          not-for-profit
                                                          can later
                                                          relicense as
                                                          required. This
                                                          appears to be
                                                          the option
                                                          that Google
                                                          legal
                                                          explained to
                                                          Erin.</div>
                                                          <div>2.
                                                          Developers/Employers
                                                          own their
                                                          code, but
                                                          provide a
                                                          statement
                                                          saying they
                                                          confirm that
                                                          the
                                                          not-for-profit
                                                          can use under
                                                          license
                                                          provided. </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Both
                                                          these options
                                                          require a
                                                          legal entity
                                                          (which we
                                                          haven't
                                                          sourced yet).
                                                          Both require a
                                                          system for
                                                          processing CLA
                                                          statements
                                                          (such as
                                                          accepting
                                                          signed
                                                          statements).
                                                          Both are a
                                                          pain to
                                                          manage.</div>
                                                          <div>For 1.
                                                          having the
                                                          ability to
                                                          relicense can
                                                          be both a
                                                          positive and
                                                          negative, more
                                                          likely a
                                                          negative as
                                                          you will need
                                                          to get a CLA
                                                          for any
                                                          library you
                                                          depend upon.</div>
                                                          <div>Being
                                                          able to
                                                          relicense is
                                                          important if
                                                          you want to
                                                          make the
                                                          license more
                                                          permissive (eg
                                                          from GPL to
                                                          MIT license).</div>
                                                          <div>By
                                                          selecting the
                                                          CC0 licence
                                                          (for
                                                          templates) we
                                                          are proposing
                                                          to be as
                                                          permissive as
                                                          possible, so
                                                          anyone can
                                                          relicense to
                                                          any other
                                                          license. So
                                                          the value of
                                                          relicensing is
                                                          not an issue
                                                          in that case.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>3. The
                                                          DCO is lighter
                                                          as usually
                                                          implemented is
                                                          lower
                                                          overhead. All
                                                          developers
                                                          need do is add
                                                          a "--signoff"
                                                          argument to a
                                                          git commit
                                                          message. This
                                                          effectively
                                                          acknowledges
                                                          that in the
                                                          commit you
                                                          agree to the
                                                          DCO statement.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>4. We
                                                          could go for a
                                                          lighter
                                                          version of
                                                          this, by
                                                          making a
                                                          statement in
                                                          our
                                                          CONTRIBUTOR.md
                                                          doc stating.
                                                          If you submit
                                                          a commit to
                                                          our
                                                          repository,
                                                          then we assume
                                                          that you are
                                                          abiding by our
                                                          DCO (which we
                                                          reference and
                                                          include on our
                                                          site). This
                                                          would be the
                                                          easiest
                                                          option, and
                                                          has the same
                                                          effort for
                                                          contributors
                                                          as 5.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>5. Do
                                                          nothing.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>My
                                                          preference is
                                                          3 or 4. (I
                                                          haven't seen
                                                          an
                                                          implementation
                                                          of 4 yet and
                                                          would like to
                                                          confirm it is
                                                          a legitimate
                                                          option, but
                                                          there appears
                                                          to be plenty
                                                          of 5.)</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 09:06, Erin McKean <<a href="mailto:emckean@google.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">emckean@google.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">More
                                                          answers: fwiw,
                                                          turns out that
                                                          the strongest
                                                          argument for a
                                                          CLA (over a
                                                          DCO or
                                                          nothing) is
                                                          relicensing
                                                          rights: 
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>"Let's
                                                          say the
                                                          project has
                                                          code samples
                                                          under Apache,
                                                          and</div>
                                                          documentation
                                                          under CC 4
                                                          (common
                                                          licensing
                                                          scheme). If
                                                          they accept a<br>
                                                          patch to the
                                                          docs under
                                                          DCO, that
                                                          patch is CC4
                                                          forever, and
                                                          they don't<br>
                                                          have the right
                                                          to put it in
                                                          the Apache
                                                          code section!
                                                          And
                                                          vice-versa;<br>
                                                          they'd have to
                                                          ask each
                                                          contribution
                                                          author every
                                                          single time.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          With CLA you
                                                          have relicense
                                                          rights."
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Also it
                                                          turns out they
                                                          will review a
                                                          CLA (and
                                                          fairly
                                                          quickly) from
                                                          projects not
                                                          already on the
                                                          approved list.
                                                          :) </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          Erin</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:54 PM Erin McKean <<a href="mailto:emckean@google.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">emckean@google.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          heard back
                                                          that given a
                                                          choice between
                                                          CLA/DCO, they
                                                          strongly
                                                          suggest an
                                                          Apache-style
                                                          CLA. 
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Am now
                                                          asking about
                                                          the choice
                                                          between CLA
                                                          and nothing.
                                                          ;) </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          Thanks!</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          Erin</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:36 PM Jennifer Rondeau <<a href="mailto:jennifer.rondeau@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jennifer.rondeau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">More
                                                          reasons not to
                                                          require a CLA.
                                                          Google
                                                          undoubtedly
                                                          not the only
                                                          employer with
                                                          this kind of
                                                          limitation.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Note that
                                                          although I
                                                          said I'd
                                                          support a DCO,
                                                          my strong
                                                          recommendation
                                                          is against
                                                          neither CLA
                                                          nor DCO.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:18 PM Erin McKean <<a href="mailto:emckean@google.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">emckean@google.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">From
                                                          the "big
                                                          company" POV,
                                                          I'm not
                                                          allowed to
                                                          sign a CLA
                                                          that isn't on
                                                          a (SHORT)
                                                          approved list
                                                          of CLAs. So it
                                                          would likely
                                                          be a barrier
                                                          for a
                                                          new/small
                                                          project to get
                                                          on that list.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I am
                                                          asking about
                                                          DCOs, will
                                                          report back!</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          Erin </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 2:33 PM Jennifer Rondeau <<a href="mailto:jennifer.rondeau@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jennifer.rondeau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">A
                                                          CLA involves
                                                          signing and in
                                                          the case of
                                                          the CLAs I've
                                                          needed to sign
                                                          review by the
                                                          governing
                                                          board before
                                                          you're good to
                                                          go. Typically
                                                          automated, but
                                                          a multi-step
                                                          process and
                                                          more
                                                          complicated if
                                                          you need to
                                                          sign an
                                                          org-based CLA
                                                          (as opposed to
                                                          a CLA for an
                                                          individual).
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>A DCO is
                                                          integrated
                                                          with Git
                                                          (GitHub and I
                                                          assume other
                                                          Git servers),
                                                          so you provide
                                                          a `--signoff`
                                                          argument to
                                                          your git
                                                          commits. Or
                                                          add it to your
                                                          git alias.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Either
                                                          way it's an
                                                          extra step of
                                                          some sort, not
                                                          implicit.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 5:18 PM Jared Morgan <<a href="mailto:jaredleonmorgan@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jaredleonmorgan@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="auto">With
                                                          these
                                                          agreements,
                                                          does anyone
                                                          have to
                                                          actually sign
                                                          and return the
                                                          agreement? Or
                                                          do they take
                                                          the form of
                                                          "submitting
                                                          your change is
                                                          like signing
                                                          the
                                                          agreement"?
                                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto">I'm
                                                          just following
                                                          along with
                                                          this thread
                                                          for now
                                                          because (as
                                                          you can
                                                          probably tell)
                                                          I have never
                                                          heard of this
                                                          before in open
                                                          source
                                                          projects.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon., 29 Jul. 2019, 07:21 Jennifer Rondeau, <<a href="mailto:jennifer.rondeau@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jennifer.rondeau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">It's
                                                          been my
                                                          experience
                                                          working with
                                                          the Kubernetes
                                                          community that
                                                          a CLA can pose
                                                          a
                                                          non-insignificant
                                                          barrier to
                                                          entry for new
                                                          contributors,
                                                          especially if
                                                          they aren't
                                                          already
                                                          familiar with
                                                          FOSS. And it's
                                                          my observation
                                                          from working
                                                          with a range
                                                          of Write the
                                                          Docs
                                                          communities
                                                          that technical
                                                          writers tend
                                                          to be less
                                                          familiar with
                                                          FOSS norms and
                                                          practices than
                                                          coders -- this
                                                          includes
                                                          writers from
                                                          large
                                                          companies.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>If we
                                                          want to
                                                          maintain a
                                                          project that's
                                                          an open and
                                                          welcoming for
                                                          all as
                                                          possible, I'd
                                                          support a DCO,
                                                          but I also
                                                          wonder whether
                                                          we need or
                                                          want even that
                                                          much. My guess
                                                          is that it
                                                          would be
                                                          enough to
                                                          drive away at
                                                          least some
                                                          otherwise
                                                          valuable
                                                          contributors.
                                                          I don't have
                                                          data about how
                                                          many potential
                                                          contributors
                                                          lack of a DCO
                                                          would keep
                                                          away -- anyone
                                                          else?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Related
                                                          but not quite
                                                          on topic: how
                                                          do we want to
                                                          solicit and
                                                          encourage
                                                          contributions?
                                                          Are we
                                                          assuming only
                                                          contributors
                                                          who are
                                                          already
                                                          familiar with
                                                          a Git
                                                          workflow? That
                                                          would
                                                          definitely
                                                          keep some good
                                                          work away,
                                                          based on my
                                                          experience
                                                          with writing
                                                          day sessions
                                                          for the Write
                                                          the Docs guide
                                                          at WtD
                                                          conferences.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 2:25 PM Jo Cook <<a href="mailto:jo.k.cook@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jo.k.cook@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Personally
                                                          I'm fine with
                                                          the light
                                                          tough DCO but
                                                          happy to go
                                                          with whatever
                                                          works for
                                                          people
                                                          contributing
                                                          from large
                                                          companies.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>All the
                                                          best</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Jo<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:15 PM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
                                                          noreferrer" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It
                                                          has been ~ 10
                                                          years since I
                                                          last looked
                                                          into open
                                                          source
                                                          contributor <br>
                                                          agreements, so
                                                          I've been
                                                          doing some
                                                          research. I
                                                          feel this is
                                                          an <br>
                                                          important
                                                          consideration
                                                          for a project
                                                          which is
                                                          hopefully to
                                                          be as <br>
                                                          central as
                                                          ours will
                                                          become.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          It is about
                                                          having
                                                          contributors
                                                          confirm they
                                                          are allowed to
                                                          give to our <br>
                                                          project and to
                                                          agree we can
                                                          distribute
                                                          contributions
                                                          under our open
                                                          <br>
                                                          licenses.<br>
                                                          We have a few
                                                          options: do
                                                          nothing, old
                                                          heavy weight
                                                          Contributor
                                                          License <br>
                                                          Agreement
                                                          (CLA), or
                                                          lightweight
                                                          Developer
                                                          Certificate of
                                                          Origin (DCO)<br>
                                                          Pros and cons
                                                          are explained
                                                          in Producing
                                                          Open Source
                                                          Software: <br>
                                                          <a href="https://producingoss.com/en/contributor-agreements.html#developer-certificate-of-origin" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://producingoss.com/en/contributor-agreements.html#developer-certificate-of-origin</a><br>
                                                          I propose we
                                                          adopt the
                                                          light DCO: <a href="https://developercertificate.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
                                                          noreferrer
                                                          noreferrer" target="_blank">https://developercertificate.org/</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I'd like to
                                                          hear if anyone
                                                          has any
                                                          opinions or
                                                          experience in
                                                          this area <br>
                                                          (especially
                                                          from those of
                                                          you in big
                                                          companies
                                                          which have
                                                          legal <br>
                                                          departments
                                                          which may be
                                                          opinionated.)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          After we've
                                                          discussed for
                                                          a few days
                                                          (weeks if
                                                          being
                                                          debated), I'll
                                                          put <br>
                                                          together a
                                                          motion to vote
                                                          on.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Cheers,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Cameron
                                                          Shorter<br>
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                                                          Demystifier<br>
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                                                          Technologies
                                                          and Geospatial
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