<div dir="auto">Hi Cameron,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't see the need for a GitHub username to be a showstopper, I see it as being roughly equivalent to subscribing to a mailing list, particularly as anyone actually wanting to contribute will need those credentials anyhow. I was also envisaging that we'd have an open "team" for general discussions, as well as the potential for restricted teams for different use cases if required. I don't see this as any different to OSGeo's restricted mailing lists for the board, conferences etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I agree being able to delete messages or threads is problematic, and needs more investigation though. I have reached out to GitHub help and hope to get some answers to our questions though. I did get a response to my initial enquiry, so I'm optimistic we will get clarification.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jo</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 12:07 Cameron Shorter, <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Ok, I just had a play around with a GitHub teams discussion page,
which Felicity set up and Jo and I have been added to:<br>
</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/orgs/thegooddocsproject/teams/website" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://github.com/orgs/thegooddocsproject/teams/website</a></p>
<p>Some major concerns I have with it are:</p>
<p>* I can delete a message I add to a discussion.</p>
<p>* It appears I can also delete someone else's message if I had a
personal gripe with them (probably because I have admin access).
(The delete button is there, I didn't test it). This creates a
fundamental problem for retaining archives. <br>
</p>
<p>* It appears I can only contribute to conversations if I have a
github username (and possibly only if I am a member of the group).
Can someone other than Jo/Felicity/me contribute to the
conversation? This is not going to work as a community support
email list.</p>
<p>I find these two issues significant and are probably show
stoppers for selecting GitHub Team Discussions to replace an email
list.<br>
</p>
<div class="m_-1833219079038969245moz-cite-prefix">On 14/8/19 7:28 am, Sanket Totewar
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><b>From today's call</b></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Additional comments from
Sanket: A couple of features that GitHub discussions have
that make them a better choice are (1) the ability to <a href="https://help.github.com/en/articles/watching-and-unwatching-team-discussions" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">watch/unwatch teams</a>, <a href="https://help.github.com/en/articles/subscribing-to-and-unsubscribing-from-notifications" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">subscribe/unsubscribe to/from discussions</a> and <a href="https://help.github.com/en/articles/pinning-a-team-discussion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pin/unpin discussions</a> and
(2) it allows markdown so we get checklists, emojis,
tables, etc. which greatly improve readability.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Additional comments from Jo and
Cameron: <a href="https://developer.github.com/v3/teams/discussions/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">The GitHub discussions
API</a> can be used to fetch discussions but we may need
to store them in a place from time to time in a searchable
format.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:29
AM Sanket Totewar <<a href="mailto:sanket@totewar.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sanket@totewar.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sorry guys for the
delay in reply.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have some
interesting perspective from some peeps who've used Gmail
lists and GitHub discussions.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Can't share their
names but they have all used private repos (no public
ones) and have had GitHub organizations with teams in
them.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P1: GitHub
discussions can go too deep if your team is spread across
the world so we started using them but moved to slack and
then only added decisions as meeting notes in Confluence.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P2: I've tried
using them but didn't like the style as it does not feel
real-time. So we have calls instead.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P3: GitHub
discussions might be great for open source projects but
were not relevant to ours as we had private meetings.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P4: Emails are the
best as it is so easy to search through them but of course
you need to know what you are searching for. Google does a
great job here.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P5: I've not seen
any open source project use GitHub team discussions.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P6: Love GitHub
Discussions. They are very helpful for international
teams.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P7: GitHub
discussions allow inline commenting and give easy access
to links in GitHub PRs in addition to the comments inside
PRs, they form a good package.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at
8:18 PM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Sanket, are you around and noticing emails? At our
last meeting, we identified setting up an email list
as our number 2 priority.</p>
<p>Jo, you were also looking into this and had some
ideas. How far did you get before heading on leave
last week?</p>
<p>How should we move forward?</p>
<p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
</p>
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10/8/19 8:44 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Sanket, did your research into email list
options identify anything worth passing on?</p>
<p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
</p>
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1/8/19 7:32 am, Sanket Totewar wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sounds
good. I have meetings with my internal support
teams that have used Google Groups and a bunch
of developers that have explored GitHub
discussions so I'll share their feedback in a
few days.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 1,
2019 at 1:25 AM Jo Cook <<a href="mailto:jo.k.cook@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jo.k.cook@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I've been doing a little more digging
into GitHub Discussions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* hosted and free (at the moment)<br>
</div>
<div>* you can align them with organisational
teams, which would mean we could have one
list for website discussion, another one for
PSC etc. <br>
</div>
<div>* definitely searchable, but it's a
little early to tell how manageable they are
going to be with a large number of messages.
<br>
</div>
<div>* not needing any additional logins-
people helping with the project will need a
github login anyway so we're not asking them
to sign up to anything extra</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bad things:</div>
<div>* There's also no explicit statement on
archiving them, potentially they will
survive as long as the organisation does. <br>
</div>
<div>* They might transition to being a
paid-for function at some point</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm not wedded to them, but it appeals to
my sense of neatness to keep everything
together :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jo<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul
31, 2019 at 1:32 PM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="m_-1833219079038969245gmail-m_-131211870352342529gmail-m_-8645000237976080533gmail-m_6917265565243095018gmail-m_2702950145621123617moz-cite-prefix">On
31/7/19 7:21 pm, Jo Cook wrote:<br>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Discussions- currently using an osgeo mailing list, requirement is for hosted (let’s not maintain a server). Github discussions- not clear on archiving, google groups- probably OK but how long are things archived? Let’s discuss via email. ACTION: SANKET to do some research and start email thread discussing requirements.</span></font></p></li>
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<p><font size="2">Sanket, expanding on
what I think requirements are:</font></p>
<p><font size="2">* For long term
sustainability it is important to keep
things as simple and low maintenance
as possible.</font></p>
<p><font size="2">* We want conversations
archived and searchable (by google is
ok). Eg: </font><br>
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