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<DIV>Jody -</DIV>
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<DIV>OWS Context Conceptual Model as a PDF. More later.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
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<DIV>Carl</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jody.garnett@gmail.com
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">Jody Garnett</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 18, 2013 6:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=creed@opengeospatial.org
href="mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org">Carl Reed</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=standards@lists.osgeo.org
href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">standards@lists.osgeo.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OSGeo-Standards] The OGC requests comments on the OWS
Context Conceptual Model and ATOM Extension candidate
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<DIV>So back to my origional feedback to Jim. </DIV>
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<DIV>The conceptual model makes great re-use of existing standards, you can
watch it call out to the other fish in the pond and it very carefully does not
repeat anything making it easier to write as a standard.</DIV>
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<DIV>If you swap perspective to that of an implementor you are left with … a gap
of understanding.</DIV>
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<DIV>The document produced by the ATOM Encoding requires client authors to
implement both an encoder (so they can make request) and a parser so that they
can understand the information that has been cleverly reused by the standards
body.</DIV>
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<DIV>This standard is lazy on the part of the standards body, and hostile to
client authors.</DIV>
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<DIV>As an example: Just because GeoTools has the ability to encode WMS
requests, DOES NOT imply there is a ready-at-hand WMS request parser
available.</DIV>
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<DIV>As such the payload delivered by ATOM to describe a WMS request may as well
be on the moon. Perhaps a bit further out of the payload is the content of a PUT
request, or needs to call out for more schema information as with GML and WFS
content.</DIV>
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<DIV>So kudos on the reuse of definitions, missed the target audience when
considering implementors (you have asked for too much work).</DIV>
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<DIV>Jody Garnett<BR></DIV>
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<P style="COLOR: #a0a0a8">On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 at 10:41 AM, Jody Garnett
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<DIV>Last time I looked at this one with Jim … I hated it (even though he was
keen on how ATOM had been used).</DIV>
<DIV>For me It was not providing enough context for a client to make its own
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<DIV>I would really like to see a context document take shape, it would be
very valuable between systems (which we tend to like on these osgeo
lists).</DIV>
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<DIV>Tracing through your links I arrive at some word docs, don't suppose you
can format shift those to PDF or something more portable.</DIV>
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<DIV>-- </DIV>
<DIV>Jody Garnett<BR></DIV>
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<P style="COLOR: #a0a0a8">On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 at 3:39 AM, Carl Reed
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not sure if this group saw this announcement. This is a preliminary comment
period. There will be another comment period later in the process.</DIV>
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ignore the Comment Due date. The OGC OWS Context Standards Working Group is
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