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Cameron,<BR>
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Considering that reference implementations of OGC standards are typically open source and that we (OSGeo) are mentoring the CITE engine, I think that we can make a good case for OSGeo requesting a voting role on the TC. <BR>
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Normal OGC practice is to have a single nominated voting member per TC membership, with an additional person able to vote when the nominated person is not available.<BR>
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I’d also like to see us try and get some implementers involved to help temper the process of developing new standards somewhat.<BR>
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Adrian has posted several thought provoking ideas on the TC discuss list that has had people sitting up to take notice. He will make a good candidate for a voting role if we can get this through.<BR>
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Bruce<BR>
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<B>Date: </B>Sat, 1 Jun 2013 21:15:37 +1000<BR>
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<B>Subject: </B>Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC liaison memberships<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I'm moving this email thread from <a href="discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a> to<BR>
<a href="standards@lists.osgeo.org">standards@lists.osgeo.org</a>.<BR>
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Adrian,<BR>
It is a good idea for OSGeo members have the opportunity to participate<BR>
in OGC activities, and have a voice to air OSGeo opinions and concerns.<BR>
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I think that we are already reasonably close to having that goal.<BR>
* OSGeo members can get access to OGC through the 5 OGC membership slots<BR>
on offer [1].<BR>
* OGC did disseminate OSGeo's "Open Letter re Geoservices REST API".<BR>
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What is missing is an opportunity to share OGC information with the<BR>
general public, which in turn would give the general public the<BR>
opportunity to comment and provide feedback. (This is a general OGC<BR>
issue to address, as the OGC use "access to OGC" as a means to attract<BR>
funded members).<BR>
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Currently OSGeo doesn't have a vote at the OGC, which is something we<BR>
might want to ask for. If we are to ask for a vote from OGC, we would<BR>
need to be confident that we would have volunteers with sufficient time<BR>
to review the material required to vote. Such reviewing will take quite<BR>
a bit of time, but if we have volunteers willing to do the work, I think<BR>
we have a good case to ask for such a vote.<BR>
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With regards to developing standards, I think it valuable for OSGeo<BR>
members to be involved in standards development, but that already<BR>
happens. (OSGeo members take part in OGC testbeds, using OGC processes).<BR>
I don't think it appropriate for OSGeo to develop standards outside of<BR>
the OGC.<BR>
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I suggest the way to move forward is for OSGeo to propose a process,<BR>
which is approved at the next board meeting on 6 June, and which the<BR>
board forwards onto OGC.<BR>
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Adrian, I suggest you start by putting together such a proposal which we<BR>
can refine, then include at [1].<BR>
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[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_membership">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_membership</a><BR>
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On 01/06/13 01:54, Jeff McKenna wrote:<BR>
> Hi Adrian,<BR>
><BR>
> I agree, let's get you moving on this, so, comments inline below:<BR>
><BR>
> On 2013-05-31 10:45 AM, Adrian Custer wrote:<BR>
>> Hey all,<BR>
>><BR>
>> On the front of becoming one of the liaison members, I would appreciate<BR>
>> guidance on procedure. Do we generate a formal letter to me and the OGC<BR>
>> or do we not yet have any procedure for this? I have just now asked<BR>
>> Barbara Sherman of the OGC if she is aware of any procedure on her end.<BR>
>> I would like to get this squared away quickly and easily.<BR>
>><BR>
> See Frank's earlier response. Arnulf and Mike are currently managing<BR>
> this, so, usually someone like Arnulf will send an email (CCing you) to<BR>
> Barbara at OGC referring you for one of the Associate memberships.<BR>
> Arnulf can you do this for Adrian? (with you and Mike's approval of course)<BR>
><BR>
> Note that my Associate membership was renewed on 11 April.<BR>
><BR>
> I feel that having someone like you championing our efforts will help me<BR>
> also to get more involved in the Standards.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>><BR>
>> On the front of OSGeo building deeper ties with the OGC and, perhaps<BR>
>> becoming a voting member someday, I think we should move forwards on a<BR>
>> number of fronts jointly.<BR>
> Becoming a voting member would greatly help the feeling of being<BR>
> involved, and give the OSGeo foundation a stronger voice in standards<BR>
> development.<BR>
><BR>
>> The first is clearly discussion and openness, letting Carl, the head of<BR>
>> the TC and Mark, the president of the OGC both know that this is<BR>
>> something we are seeking and towards which we plan to work.<BR>
> Agreed.<BR>
><BR>
>> A second front might be to become more active on the Standards Front.<BR>
>> There has been some recent interest in OSGeo taking on some Standards<BR>
>> related activity, where certainly being vocal and offering productive<BR>
>> critiques could be productive. It may also prove useful to do more. For<BR>
>> example, I am planning to write up a number of format standards in the<BR>
>> next six months and so it might make sense for me to develop some of<BR>
>> them within OSGeo. The standards would require buy in from this<BR>
>> community anyhow, so perhaps developing them here would give this<BR>
>> community some more leverage in the Standards game. I'll do the bulk of<BR>
>> the work first and then get back to you all on whether they make sense<BR>
>> at OSGeo and how they could start life here. In the interim, OSGeo might<BR>
>> consider how it could host 'standards focused projects' rather than<BR>
>> 'software focused projects' or 'community focused projects'. I'm not<BR>
>> sure that requires more work than agreeing it should be allowed. It<BR>
>> could be part of 'labs' to stay informal or some other procedure might<BR>
>> be invented.<BR>
>><BR>
> re: standards: I've also heard some back-channel talk of standards<BR>
> activity within OSGeo. Whatever we do though, as you said earlier it's<BR>
> very important that we work closely with Carl and the OGC (we have an<BR>
> MoU signed with the OGC so that this can happen).<BR>
><BR>
> re: projects: I feel that your passion will help us in being more open<BR>
> to projects in general. As you've said before to me, we're part of a<BR>
> larger community and we must realize this. (I don't have the answers<BR>
> in how we do this specifically, but, keeping this in the back of our/my<BR>
> minds is the first step I feel)<BR>
><BR>
> -jeff<BR>
><BR>
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