<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Want to underline two aspects of the proposal:</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">1) See if we can negotiate, or fund, cite certification for OSGeo projects. This would be a good high-level outcome to encourage projects to participate in OSGeo. It also helps showcase OGC certification, while not greatly impacting OGC revenue (as we have now proven that our OSGeo projects are not pursuing OGC certification on their own).</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"> </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">2) Recognise testing beyond that the OGC is in position to offer, for example Client certification is not available.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">This testing can probably only be offered against OSGeo projects such as GeoServer and MapServer, and can be used to promote that "cross project interoperability" we are supposed to be focusing on.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">It is this second aspect that OSGeo Live can help with, I suppose I can make a motion for the OSGeo board with respect to talking to the OGC.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div> <div id="bloop_sign_1383113786378809088"><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"></span>-- <br>Jody Garnett<br></div> <br><p style="color:#A0A0A8;">On 20 October 2013 at 7:06:35 am, Cameron Shorter (<a href="mailto://cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jody has some valuable ideas below,
which I think we could make very achievable.<br>
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It would be straight forward for us to extend the OSGeo-Live
template to describe the level of OGC standard certified an
application is.<br>
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I'd suggest there could be three levels of description:<br>
"OGC <Standard> <Version> Used": The Project uses an
OGC standard, but not run OGC CITE tests.<br>
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"OGC <Standard> <Version> Passed": The Project has run
OGC CITE tests, and believe they pass these tests.<br>
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"OGC <Standard> <Version> Certified": The OGC has
certified an application according to CITE.<br>
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I'd be interested to hear OGC thinking on this.<br>
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On 18/10/13 08:53, Jody Garnett wrote:<br></div>
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The OSGeo board meeting today touched on interaction with the OGC,
perhaps with the formation of a subcommittee (in case a single
volunteer cannot be found to replace Adrian Custer).</div>
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I have been thinking of a different problem, how OSGeo can benefit
from our communication with the OGC.</div>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Initial interaction
has focused on promoting OGC standards, but my concern is projects
will stop caring. Indeed when I look at our projects implementing
OGC services many are not CITE compliant, or have not taken on the
cost of officially being certified even if they run the tests from
a QA standpoint.</div>
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<div>So here are some ideas:</div>
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* The incubation of the CITE TEAM engine is something obvious where
OSGeo can help, and something I will check up on via the incubation
list.</div>
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* I would like to see OSGeo projects in the web mapping category,
pass through CITE conformance tests. I understand there is a cost
associated with officially passing these tests and getting a
sticker. It would be good to negotiate to waive this fee, both to
promote standards compliance, and show projects a benefit of
participation. If the fee cannot be waived (stepping on OGC
business model) then we should be able to provide our own "Tested"
sticker.</div>
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* For projects that the OGC is not in position to certify (such as
the desktop and geospatial libraries). I would like to come up with
some form of "implementing" or "tested" sticker. Criterial can be
sending a screen snap of connecting to each OSGeo web
service.</div>
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I suspect the above activities could be co-ordinated with upgrading
the version of the software package provided to OSGeo
live. This would keep the qualification current, although I
hesitate to volunteer groups for more work. Perhaps we can just
include the "sticker" on the OSGeo live documentation pages as an
incentive.</div>
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<div class="" id="bloop_sign_1382045828093820928">Jody
Garnett<br></div>
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