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<DIV>Bruce -</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for the email. I know that the CITE fee structure is being
discussed. However, I do not know the details as I am not part of that
discussion. Luis Bermudez and Mark Reichardt can provide more up to date
information on CITE fees. Sorry that I cannot be more helpful.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Carl</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au
href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au">Bruce Bannerman</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=creed@opengeospatial.org
href="mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org">Carl Reed</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=standards@lists.osgeo.org
href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">standards@lists.osgeo.org</A> ; <A
title=gpercivall@opengeospatial.org
href="mailto:gpercivall@opengeospatial.org">George Percivall</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re:
[OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from OSGeo board meeting]
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<DIV>Carl,</DIV>
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<DIV>Wearing both my OSGeo and OGC TC hats, is there anything that OGC can do to
assist open source projects get certified, e.g. waive certification fees?</DIV>
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<DIV>Most projects do not have much in the way of funds behind them. They mainly
have just volunteer time and effort.</DIV>
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<DIV>It is in OGC's interests to have a range of open source implementations
that are certified to act as reference implementations and to guide others on
what is possible.</DIV>
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<DIV>As an OGC implementing organisation that utilises open source software,
we'd like to see the projects that we use certified, however we are not in a
position to fund the certification process for them.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bruce</DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </SPAN>Jody Garnett <<A
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </SPAN>Wednesday, 30 October 2013 10:50
PM<BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </SPAN>Even Rouault <<A
href="mailto:even.rouault@mines-paris.org">even.rouault@mines-paris.org</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: </SPAN>"<A
href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">standards@lists.osgeo.org</A>" <<A
href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">standards@lists.osgeo.org</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN>Re: [OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from
OSGeo board meeting<BR></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Regarding
certification, I went to read a bit on OGC site and found that :<BR><A
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark"
target=_blank>http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark</A><BR><BR>So
the fee is not a one time thing, but a yearly one, and depends on
the<BR>"organization" revenue. This makes me wonder on how it could translate
for our<BR>community projects, let's take MapServer as an example. What is
the<BR>organization behind MapServer : OSGeo, any company offering services
around<BR>MapServer... ?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">OGC
licencing fee scheme seems to be designed for companies that have
a<BR>distribution monopoly on the product being certified.<BR>If certification
fees would be waived for the OSGeo project iself, what would<BR>it mean for
companies offering services around it : could they reuse the<BR>sticker on
their web site, or should they pay the fee ?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Just so, so we should probably take down our GeoServer sticker - since it
does not represent testing of the bundle we currently distribute.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for your actual question - you may have to consider the difference
between project and product.</DIV>
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<DIV>The GeoServer community offers a download (i.e. a product) which could be
certified by OSGeo (perhaps at a reduced rate depending on how well the board
negotiates).</DIV>
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<DIV>The same component is actually included in several other products:</DIV>
<DIV>- Boundless OpenGeo Suite</DIV>
<DIV>- GeoSolutions GeoServer Enterprise</DIV>
<DIV>- OSGeo GeoNetwork Open Source</DIV>
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<DIV>As long as it is not the community doing the packaging, the above products
would not get the sticker. If they are using the component as published by the
community (say out of a maven repository) a downstream project (i.e. GeoNetwork)
or distribution (OSGeo Live) should be able to indicate an GeoServer as an OGC
certified component (i.e. it has passed testing).</DIV>
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<DIV>Still we are down in the weeds here - the goal is to provide a motivation
for projects to join OSGeo, being in position to have their releases certified
would be a good win. Even just being able to mark projects that have done
some testing is a decent win. Can you think of any others?</DIV>
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<DIV class=im>> 2) Recognise testing beyond that the OGC is in position to
offer, for<BR>> example Client certification is not
available.<BR>><BR>> This testing can probably only be offered against
OSGeo projects such as<BR>> GeoServer and MapServer, and can be used to
promote that "cross project<BR>> interoperability" we are supposed to be
focusing on.<BR><BR></DIV>Client certification is indeed a difficult topic.
You can have a WFS client that<BR>works fine when being used with a WFS server
that delivers simple features<BR>("flat" organization of attributes), but that
won't be able to understand<BR>complex features ( e.g. Inspire schemas ). This
is not just a theoretical<BR>example ;-)<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Hence the sticker indicating what the client was tested with. I am not
aware of any general purpose open source clients for complex features, simply
nobody has been willing to pay for them :D</DIV>
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<DIV>Jody</DIV>
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