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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Mark and Luis,<br>
In moving forward, could you please organise an OGC position on:<br>
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1. Will the OGC be prepared to endorse use of OGC brand to be used
by the specific version of an Open Source project for:<br>
1.1 "OGC <Standard> <Version> Used": The Project uses
an OGC standard, but not run OGC CITE tests.<br>
1.2 "OGC <Standard> <Version> PassedNotCertified": The
Project has run OGC CITE tests, and believe they pass these tests.<br>
1.3 "OGC <Standard> <Version> Certified": The OGC has
certified an application according to CITE.<br>
1.4 "OGC <Standard> <Version> CertifiedReference": The
OGC has additionally named this application a reference
implementation.<br>
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2. Will Open Source projects need to pay for certification?
(History suggests Open Source projects won't have the budget,
although some large agency might pay for it). I suggest that
projects should at least be able to claim "Used" and
"PassedNotCertified" for free.<br>
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3. Re current certification being granted for one year:<br>
I'm in favour of <b>perpetual</b> certification being granted to
a specific release, of a specific open source project for a
specific version of an OGC standard.<br>
Reason for perpetual (rather than the current annual fee) is that
a release won't change, the standard won't change, so the only way
a project could stop passing CITE tests is if the CITE tests
change. This shouldn't effect OGC income, as projects typically
release software at least annually, which require
re-certification.<br>
Is the OGC interested in changing current annual certification to
perpetual?<br>
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If OGC commits to these proposals (or variant of it), we can
promote it, and implement it through OSGeo (with a focus on the
OSGeo-Live documentation).<br>
<br>
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On 02/11/13 03:17, Luis Bermudez wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Bruce
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<pre wrap="">It is in OGC's interests to have a range of open source implementations that are certified to act as reference implementations and to guide others on what is possible.
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Fully Agree. This is very important for OGC standards and in particular to the OGC Compliance Program. More applications we have passing the tests makes our standards stronger.
Both the CITE P&P [1] and the MoU with OSGeo [2] provide incentives for reference implementations.
Let me know which tests and which applications to start the process to get them certified.
[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/49237">http://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/49237</a>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MoU_OGC">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MoU_OGC</a>
- Luis
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Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count
Skype: bermudez_luis
Twitter: @berdez
Tel: +1 301 760 7323
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a>
On Oct 30, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Bruce Bannerman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au"><B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Mark, Luis,
Please see my question to Carl below.
As per below, is there anything that OGC can do to assist OSGeo Projects with the certification process?
Bruce
From: Carl Reed <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org"><creed@opengeospatial.org></a>
Organization: OGC
Date: Thursday, 31 October 2013 9:26 AM
To: Bruce Bannerman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au"><B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">"standards@lists.osgeo.org"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org"><standards@lists.osgeo.org></a>, George Percivall <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gpercivall@opengeospatial.org"><gpercivall@opengeospatial.org></a>
Subject: Re: OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re: [OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Bruce -
Thanks for the email. I know that the CITE fee structure is being discussed. However, I do not know the details as I am not part of that discussion. Luis Bermudez and Mark Reichardt can provide more up to date information on CITE fees. Sorry that I cannot be more helpful.
Cheers
Carl
From: Bruce Bannerman
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:09 PM
To: Carl Reed
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">standards@lists.osgeo.org</a> ; George Percivall
Subject: OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re: [OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Carl,
Wearing both my OSGeo and OGC TC hats, is there anything that OGC can do to assist open source projects get certified, e.g. waive certification fees?
Most projects do not have much in the way of funds behind them. They mainly have just volunteer time and effort.
It is in OGC's interests to have a range of open source implementations that are certified to act as reference implementations and to guide others on what is possible.
As an OGC implementing organisation that utilises open source software, we'd like to see the projects that we use certified, however we are not in a position to fund the certification process for them.
Bruce
From: Jody Garnett <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com"><jody.garnett@gmail.com></a>
Date: Wednesday, 30 October 2013 10:50 PM
To: Even Rouault <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:even.rouault@mines-paris.org"><even.rouault@mines-paris.org></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">"standards@lists.osgeo.org"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org"><standards@lists.osgeo.org></a>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from OSGeo board meeting
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<pre wrap="">Regarding certification, I went to read a bit on OGC site and found that :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark">http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark</a>
So the fee is not a one time thing, but a yearly one, and depends on the
"organization" revenue. This makes me wonder on how it could translate for our
community projects, let's take MapServer as an example. What is the
organization behind MapServer : OSGeo, any company offering services around
MapServer... ?
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<pre wrap="">OGC licencing fee scheme seems to be designed for companies that have a
distribution monopoly on the product being certified.
If certification fees would be waived for the OSGeo project iself, what would
it mean for companies offering services around it : could they reuse the
sticker on their web site, or should they pay the fee ?
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Just so, so we should probably take down our GeoServer sticker - since it does not represent testing of the bundle we currently distribute.
As for your actual question - you may have to consider the difference between project and product.
The GeoServer community offers a download (i.e. a product) which could be certified by OSGeo (perhaps at a reduced rate depending on how well the board negotiates).
The same component is actually included in several other products:
- Boundless OpenGeo Suite
- GeoSolutions GeoServer Enterprise
- OSGeo GeoNetwork Open Source
As long as it is not the community doing the packaging, the above products would not get the sticker. If they are using the component as published by the community (say out of a maven repository) a downstream project (i.e. GeoNetwork) or distribution (OSGeo Live) should be able to indicate an GeoServer as an OGC certified component (i.e. it has passed testing).
Still we are down in the weeds here - the goal is to provide a motivation for projects to join OSGeo, being in position to have their releases certified would be a good win. Even just being able to mark projects that have done some testing is a decent win. Can you think of any others?
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<pre wrap="">2) Recognise testing beyond that the OGC is in position to offer, for
example Client certification is not available.
This testing can probably only be offered against OSGeo projects such as
GeoServer and MapServer, and can be used to promote that "cross project
interoperability" we are supposed to be focusing on.
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Client certification is indeed a difficult topic. You can have a WFS client that
works fine when being used with a WFS server that delivers simple features
("flat" organization of attributes), but that won't be able to understand
complex features ( e.g. Inspire schemas ). This is not just a theoretical
example ;-)
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Hence the sticker indicating what the client was tested with. I am not aware of any general purpose open source clients for complex features, simply nobody has been willing to pay for them :D
Jody
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