<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>One of the issues may be that software to test standards compliance seems like it would be of narrow interest and hard to build a developer community around. Really, though, it is part of a wider category of tools for software functional testing, which should be of interest to any software developer or organization. There certainly seems to be plenty of community support for Selenium, for example. </div><div><br></div><div>That leads to the questions of whether TEAM engine can be used for broader functional testing or whether more general tools such as Selenium can be used instead for standards compliance testing. Either approach should increase the odds that a developer community exists or could be formed to support the software's maintenance and improvement. <br><br><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div>Josh Lieberman</div></div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">josh*at*oklieb*dot*net</div></div><div><br>On May 9, 2014, at 9:48, Daniel Morissette <<a href="mailto:dmorissette@mapgears.com">dmorissette@mapgears.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Replying to myself.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I re-read the original email from Luis, and see that he writes "which organizations can provide support for issue tracking, releases, code review etc." ... so it sounds like what they are looking for is not just hosting infrastructure (contrary to what I initially thought after a quick read of this thread), they seem to be looking for a sweet home for CITE as an open source project, in which case OSGeo or LocationTech Incubation are the places to start.</span><br><span></span><br><span>OSGeo/LocationTech incubation is a good place to start but that won't do it all, the foundations would just provide a home for the community and some assistance to help it get organized, but won't replace the need for a healthy community of users and developers around the project to do the actual work and keep the project alive. More specifically OSGeo or LocationTech should not be expected to provide resources/staff to maintain the CITE software itself, they are non profit entities and cannot pay staff directly to maintain software anyway. My opinion is that it would still be up to OGC to fund the maintenance of the CITE software, produce releases, etc.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should be doing, so treat this email as what it is: just a personal opinion from a past member of OGC and current member of both OSGeo and LocationTech,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 14-05-09 9:23 AM, Daniel Morissette wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hopefully I misunderstood the request, but if OGC is really seeking a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>group to help *host* their CITE test suite, i.e. the place where</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>software vendors run their tests when they seek certification, then I</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>think this is wrong. I don't think OSGeo, LocationTech, or any entity</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>other than OGC itself should be hosting the test suite that serves for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>certification. What would people think if some proprietary software</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>vendors were hosting the test suite? Probably not good, right? Then why</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>should it be different for OSGeo or LocationTech.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As I wrote above, I probably misunderstood the request, and if all OGC</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is looking for is a home for the CITE source code to grow and prosper,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>then OSGeo and LocationTech are the best places, but this is different</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>from just hosting.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Daniel</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 14-05-09 7:20 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>While I'm very supportive of CITE testing, and would love to see the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>CITE project pass through OSGeo incubation, I don't see OSGeo as geared</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to provide the hosting support that OGC is asking for.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In particular, hosting infrastructure requires both hardware, but more</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>importantly, people to maintain the infrastructure. If the CITE project</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is not able to attract volunteers, I would not expect OSGeo to be able</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to attract them either.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I refer back to our OSGeo Priorities:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Support_initiatives_which_support_themselves">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Support_initiatives_which_support_themselves</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 9/05/2014 8:02 am, Bruce Bannerman wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jeff,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>At the Washington TC, Luis announced that OGC are setting up an</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>arrangement with from memory, the Eclipse Foundation, to help move</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this software forward.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>There was no real rationale provided on this that I recall.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I also did not get a chance to follow up with Luis as to what this</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>meant for the OSGeo Incubation process that the products are going</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>through.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Perhaps Luis or Carl could comment.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Can anyone advise what is happening with CITE from the OSGeo</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Incubation viewpoint?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Is there an active project?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>What organisations are supporting the Project?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>What is the status of CITE incubation?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bruce</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a href="mailto:standards-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">standards-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>[<a href="mailto:standards-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">standards-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>[<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2014 10:46 PM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org">standards@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [OSGeo-Standards] Fwd: TEAM Engine and CITE infrastructure</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello OSGeo standards community,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I received a request (below) from Luis Bermudez, head of the OGC</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>compliance group, wondering if OSGeo might be able to help hosting their</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>CITE architecture. Note that he sent this to me a day after the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>deadline listed on the call, so I don't think we should pay much</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>attention to that date. What are the thoughts on helping them?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I will also mention this at next week's OSGeo board meeting.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-jeff</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------- Original Message --------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: TEAM Engine and CITE infrastructure</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:45:36 -0400</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Luis Bermudez <<a href="mailto:lbermudez@opengeospatial.org">lbermudez@opengeospatial.org</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Jeff McKenna <<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Jeff</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We have had lots of discussion about moving the OGC CITE software</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>infrastructure to a different place. We were advise after the last TC</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to do a press release to see which organizations can provide support for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>issue tracking, releases, code review etc. We recently published this</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>press release</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/1998">http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/1998</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Maybe OSGeo is interested? I didn't heard from anybody from OSGeo.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please let me know what you think.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you very much!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- Luis</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>---------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Director Compliance Program</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The OGC: Making Location Count</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Skype: bermudez_luis</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Twitter: @berdez</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tel: +1 301 760 7323</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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