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    <p>OGC folk,</p>
    <p>You are mentioned in this OSGeo Board email discussion, and if
      you have a spare moment to weigh in, then your comments would be
      warmly welcomed.</p>
    <p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
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            <td>Re: [Board] GPDR</td>
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            <td>Tue, 17 Jul 2018 20:55:45 +0200</td>
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            <td>Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us"><seven@arnulf.us></a></td>
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      <p>Thanks for the input Ben. It would be great, if you could help
        with the wording of OSGeo's privacy statement. <br>
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      <p>From here on only ugly fine print...: <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 2018-07-17 um 19:46 schrieb Steven
        Feldman:<br>
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        I think they are compliant - you actively sign up to the lists
        that you want to subscribe and you have an option to unsubscribe
        or delete your account completely. <br>
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      Yes. We do not really have to do anything at all, except: <br>
      <br>
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        cite="mid:91836600-EDC7-484A-9822-6A777F2F533C@gmail.com">
        <div class="">We will need to check whether deleting an account
          removes the email address etc. My view fwiw is that we have no
          obligation to purge archived emails </div>
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      Right. The only thing promoted by the new GDPR we do not and
      cannot comply to is to enable "forgetting". It is not applicable
      in our context because "<span style="font-size:14px;"><span
          style="font-family:trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif;">the
          data no longer being relevant to original purposes for
          processing</span></span>" does not apply because it is always
      relevant for the original purpose. One of the principal goals of
      OSGeo is to make processes and decisions transparent and protect
      projects from patent infringement claims and similar (where there
      is a ton of money and profits! Oh, add a few more !!! ). <br>
      <br>
      In case there is an ugly row about something and somebody says
      something nasty and wants to withdraw this from the archives it
      can happen. It has been done before. And in our community (so far)
      it does not require legal steps and I'd totally promote that we
      keep it that way. <br>
      <br>
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        cite="mid:91836600-EDC7-484A-9822-6A777F2F533C@gmail.com">
        <div class="">but I think that should be made clear in our
          privacy policy - which we need to write!</div>
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      Exactly. <br>
      <br>
      In order to have code provenance, prior art and the like
      transparent it is absolutely required to have all discussions and
      processes and decisions on a topic transparent and archived. This
      includes the personal data (email address and name as given by the
      individual or known by the community) of the corresponding
      individual providing input to a discussion. No privacy here, legal
      requirements override personal data rights. Which we may have to
      make clear in our subscription process and write down in our
      privacy statement. Sort of along the lines of: "if you join you
      give up your right to be forgotten because what we do really is
      relevant from a legal aspect". <br>
      <br>
      In case someone from OGC is listening in - they know about this
      stuff and we would be well advised to copy - erm - fork some of
      their legalese. <br>
      <br>
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        cite="mid:91836600-EDC7-484A-9822-6A777F2F533C@gmail.com">
        <div class="">Do you fancy getting involved to help get this
          done?<br class="">
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      Haha, good try but actually no. Because it is spam wrapped in a
      pita. But yes, someone will have to do it. <br>
      <br>
      The good news is: Nobody will want to sue OSGeo because it is
      totally not sexy to sue not-for-profits plus there is no profit,
      hence the name, right? :-) Trouble is, eventually Nobody may come
      round. <br>
      <br>
      So my take is: Keep it cool but get it done.   <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Thanks, <br>
      Arnulf<br>
      <br>
      PS:<br>
      In case this is still open by then end of October (busy in other
      realms until then) I am happy to connect with the OGC and also
      help with some "resistance is futile, we will assimilate you"
      wording. <br>
      <br>
      Cheers, <br>
      Seven <br>
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              <div class="">On 16 Jul 2018, at 10:39, Ben Caradoc-Davies
                <<a href="mailto:ben@transient.nz" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">ben@transient.nz</a>> wrote:</div>
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                <div class="">What about email archives? They are not
                  self-service.<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Do we have an obligation to purge archived emails or
                  correct names or email addresses in archives on
                  requests?<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Do we have an obligation to report all personal
                  information held by OSGeo on request? Should OSGeo
                  have a procedure for handling such requests?<br
                    class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Kind regards,<br class="">
                  Ben.<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  On 16/07/18 18:00, Jody Garnett wrote:<br class="">
                  <blockquote type="cite" class="">Advice would be very
                    much appreciated.<br class="">
                    My own preference is to be clear that OSGeo is
                    largely self-serve, and if<br class="">
                    we document steps to sign up for something we also
                    document the steps to<br class="">
                    un-sign up for something.<br class="">
                    I think OSGeo has one mail chimp account used by
                    marketing and geoforall -<br class="">
                    but it am not sure how heavily it is used?<br
                      class="">
                    --<br class="">
                    Jody Garnett<br class="">
                    On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 10:16, stevenfeldman <<a
                      href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" class=""
                      moz-do-not-send="true">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br class="">
                    <blockquote type="cite" class="">Jody<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      I think the Board needs to take a more proactive
                      approach to GDPR. This is<br class="">
                      quite significant legislation and we should ensure
                      that we have taken<br class="">
                      "reasonable steps" to audit our personal data
                      holdings and ensure we have<br class="">
                      compliant processes.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      The UK Information Commissioner's Office has a
                      good intro to GDPR at<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <a
href="https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/"
                        class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/</a><br
                        class="">
                      and a simple checklist tool at<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/resources-and-support/data-protection-self-assessment/"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/resources-and-support/data-protection-self-assessment/</a><br
                        class="">
                      (each EU country will have similar info but this
                      is in English)<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      MailChimp has good tools for getting mail-list
                      approval and providing<br class="">
                      unsubscribe options. Do we have an OSGeo account
                      or is usage less formal<br class="">
                      across the regions?<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      I'm sure several of our EU members have already
                      worked through GDPR with<br class="">
                      their organisations and could provide advice<br
                        class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Cheers<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Steven<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      --<br class="">
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                  Director<br class="">
                  Transient Software Limited <<a
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